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Solar PV Hints, Tips & Troubleshooting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    That's a good perspective. I think I will get a standard immersion switch with a timer on it. Might switch it out for an eddi then once I have the solar up and running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭pjordan


    The toothless CRU are inviting consumer submissions on Incentivising the Uptake of Smart use tarrifs as per the attached link. https://www.cru.ie/publications/27534/ Even their low key promotion of this consultation and the passive nature of the consultation process would almost make you believe they don't really want to hear from us but have to be still seen to be engaging in some sort of contrived consultation process.

    As I said in my own submission, the bottom line currently is that Smart tarrifs are prohibitively expensive to the vast majority of consumers and that Smart meters cannot farcically currently accomodate those wishing to avail of the tarrif structure available through Day/night meters. Until such time as that changes and that there is a much more stratified tarrif band structure (suggest two hour intervals) with a pricing structure with at least one free electricty time band and a subsequent ratio of 1:10 between highest peak tarrif and lowest charged band, then there is little chance of effecting major changes in consumer behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,890 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Agree with all of that @pjordan, but d/n compatible smart meters are coming by the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,103 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    7% takeup is laughable.

    I would have no problem taking a smart tariff if there was an equivalent 9 hour overnight rate. I currently pay 7.5c from midnight to 9am, on the 20th of July when that fixed deal runs out the best options are 14c or 19c for the night rate. I use about 500wh a day on day rate (inverter balancing and delays I assume) so the day rate doesnt matter to me. The best options on MCC12/16 smart meter tariffs are either a 9 hour window with a rate higher than my current day rate or an equivalent price but only a 2-4 hour window which is not sufficient. For winter I need 9 hours night rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    As of April 2023, approximately 7% of consumers with a smart meter avail of a time of use tariff. Given the benefits of time of use tariffs to consumers, the environment and the electricity grid, the CRU is proposing a number of measures to incentivise further uptake. These are:

    - Amending the Price Comparison Website accreditation framework to allow consumers to upload their smart meter data to receive a personalised price comparison.

    - Implementing an Estimated Annual Bill for all time of use tariffs.

    - Increasing the limit on the number of time of use tariffs that suppliers are allowed to offer to domestic customers from four to eight.

    - A call for evidence on the structure and effectiveness of the Standard Smart Tariff.


    Strange how not one of the proposed incentives includes addressing the ridiculous price gouging by energy suppliers. Most ToU tariffs have been higher than the regular 24-hour rate, go up to silly rates at afternoon and then ratchet up prices to crazy levels (60-70c+) during peak time.

    It's clear that they're mostly used as a way to greater profit and to cream money from customers rather than encourage more efficient use of the resource, or heck even price savings for small changes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭redmagic68


    @ELM327 where did you find the 14 cent night rate. I was comparing suppliers earlier but missed that one. The 19cent I came across.

    rates are incredible at the minute. Half thinking of going to the default energia rate for a few weeks to see if tariffs improve but……

    8.4 kwp east/west Louth,6kw sofar, 9.6kwh batt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭con747


    Check out the Flogas offers. https://www.flogas.ie/exclusive-elec-06-23.html

    https://www.flogas.ie/smart-electricity/exclusive-smart-06-23.html

    You don't need to be a BWG employee, just switch online if the rates are any use to you. If you ring they might ask if you are so just say you work in Londis or something. Remember though if you go on a smart plan you are stuck on a smart plan, no going back in case you look at that tariff.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's an awful offer surely?

    Night rate 23c?

    Not even a cheap rate to charge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭championc


    Not to mention a pretty hefty Standing Charge !!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭redmagic68


    im not a smart meter but thank you @con747 i did find the other one that I think @elm327 was referencing and that would make sense for me. We are a high night time usage house in winter so the 14 cent rate even with the higher standing charge would save us about €300. Still have energia until end of august so tracking them at the minute but the Flogas offer if available then would be by far and away the best belie for us. The standard offer they have on the website is €200 euro better than anyone else in its own.

    crazy numbers when I put it all in the spreadsheet at the minute. Thank Christ for solar though last bill from energia was €10.

    8.4 kwp east/west Louth,6kw sofar, 9.6kwh batt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭con747


    It depends on which offer you looked at, the night rate on one of the plans is 14.75c with day rate of 33.38c inc vat.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,890 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Speaking of electricity prices...


    I have a rental property, kept my old house when we moved and it's not rented out.


    New tenant coming Monday so I called in to make sure it's clean and tidy. It's on a prepay meter. June 7th there was €13 credit. Today it was €33 in the red.


    What feckin outrageous prices are people paying for a prepay meter??? Had a quick look on their site and it looks like north of a € a day standing charge, 45c "service charge" a day (for what?) and then 40+c a unit.


    Last tenant stayed on that for 3+ years. Why in God's name would you not switch to a bill pay?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭con747


    High standing charge ok but if you can avail of the 14.75c night rate and do most of your usage and car charging-battery charging then surely it would cancel out the extra paid on standing charge if your a high user. I don't see many better night rates out there at the moment.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭redmagic68


    The maths is pretty simple for it. Most here know their usage. Set up an excel sheet stick it the rates multiplied by your used units for the year and add the standing charge take away the fit and the lowest wins.

    If you have high night usage then flogas standard online day night or the mace offer make absolute sense.

    8.4 kwp east/west Louth,6kw sofar, 9.6kwh batt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭con747


    Sorry, but I was absent for the maths class back in the day. 😂

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    Some folks have realy really really bad credit. If they have burned a few suppliers in the past they may need to put a deposit in just to get a connection. The alternative is you use your credit as a landlord to set them up with a good account - and charge them monthly... do u really want that hassle? I have freinds who do it with houses full of tenants - me - no interest in doing that. People need to do it themselves, establish good credit - be smart with their own money.

    But yeah i hear ya - what percentage of people dont look at the electricity costs at all??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭redmagic68


    Apologies I was agreeing with you, showing that the standing charge in some instance can be absorbed quite quickly if the night time unit rate is low enough. Didn’t mean to come across condescendingly.

    8.4 kwp east/west Louth,6kw sofar, 9.6kwh batt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭con747


    You didn't! I meant I am brutal at maths that's all.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's the correct shut down, and start up of a solis hybrid inverter.

    Is it :

    AC off

    DC off.


    DC on

    AC on


    Before anyone asks, I have the instruction book somewhere in the house. Trying to locate it is the problem!

    I'm finally going to stick the instructions on a label beside the inverter. Only took two years!

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭championc


    I think it's always DC on first before AC on.

    I don't think the shutdown order makes much difference



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    The rule is that on shutdown the AC load should be turned off first, then the inverter, then the solar input and then the battery. Reason is to prevent arcing on the DC contacts when drawing large AC loads.

    Print it out like this:

    1. AC load off
    2. Inverter output off
    3. Solar input off
    4. DC battery off

    Never do DC battery first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭septicsac


    In similar position to few here, in that my current Energia contract is up shortly. On 41% discount at the moment, does not appear they will offer same again, they pay 18c FIT, which earned me 400+ euro for past 12 months.

    See a lot of people on about the Flogas/BWG offer, I would be on rural 24hr, as do not need cheap charging etc at night, but what do they offer on FIT or what is the best option out there for those with FIT, none of the comparison sites take a FIT into account. Not particularly fussed about going on a smart plan either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭con747


    They pay the highest I think, .24c including vat.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Finally got around to playing with force discharge mode and it works very well.

    On the Solis, you set a discharge current from the battery and it aims to maintain that up to the AC output limit of the inverter (22.7A in my case on a 5kW inverter)

    In the screenshot below, I set the battery discharge current to 65A to dump from the house battery into the EV before a journey after lunch. This kept the Zappi charging even when clouds rolled in. If I wanted to just avoid the Zappi starting/stopping without dumping excess from the battery, I could set the discharge current to circa 28A which would provide the minimum 1.4kW even if generation dropped to zero. During the summer months I have a discharge period set for my entire day period, so I just have to change from "self use" mode to "charge from grid" mode and it takes effect.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭munsterfan2


    Hi,

    Hoping to DIY install some extra panels and just wanted to check what my understanding

    Currently have Solis RHI-3K-48ES which has a max output of 3.3kw. There are 8 x 360w Solarwatt panels on a single string which give approx 2880. Solis have said the max DC power is 4500 which would allow for an additional 5 panels x 360w panels. Is it OK to have unbalanced strings ? All will be south facing ground mount.(at least in Winter).

    I have a second Solis mini 2500-46 inverter so max DC power of 3750 would be 8 panels.

    Is the DC power limit separate to the voltage per string limit ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭munsterfan2


    While I am good with the current & voltages, the spec sheet on the Solis has a max power for the PV side of 4kw, although Solis have said 4.5kw is OK. Hence why I think I cant put a 2nd string of 8.

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    Newer model has a much high Max PV power

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Old Jim


    Day #2 with PV so new to this. Have a Solis 6kW Hybrid inverter, no battery. not sure if it is setup correctly as the readings don't make much sense to me. As my PV output from the array increases, the house load increases and shows I'm exporting very little. Also tonight with no PV, it shows I'm exporting to the grid and when I turn on the kettle, my export increases. I checked the CT clamp and direction of arrow is towards the fuse board. The CT is connected to a power meter in the fuse board and seems to read ok and the correct direction. But the inverter is interpreting this input from the CT like it's the wrong way round. Is there any settings in the inverter that could affect the polarity of the CT at the fuse board? Or anything else I can check?

    As I said new to this and will get the installer on the case but would like to understand it myself a bit too.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The power meter to solis is a serial connection,

    The power meter could be reading backwards, if the CT is accessible do try flipping it.

    When it is dark, and solar is off, and you stick a kettle on. Does it show up as export?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭bawnBeag


    Is it possible to take that plan with a smart meter?



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