This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

unkel · 20-06-2023 08:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120740966#Comment_120740966

LOL, oh yes they do. And then some.

alias no.9 · 20-06-2023 10:38PM

Selling privately is a balancing act, you have to leave a bit of wriggle room to make the buyer feel they've talked you down but if you price it too high, you won't even get a call.

User1998 · 20-06-2023 10:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120740966#Comment_120740966

Lol that is nonsense. I’ve bought cars that were advertised for €23k and got them for €17k after some tough negotiations, and I’ve often gotten sub €5k cars for half the asking price.

Nobody plans on letting their cars go for cheap but when they are faced with a tough negotiator who is ready to buy than that quickly changes

wotzgoingon · 20-06-2023 11:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741988#Comment_120741988

Tough negotiator. I'd be thinking this cheeky bastard and I'd let him drive off without the car.

I'd never say to myself this fella is a great negotiator sure I'll let him have the car at a fraction of the price I had it advertised at.

User1998 · 20-06-2023 11:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742147#Comment_120742147

Haha I’ve been lowballed in person myself and have just told them to piss off and ended the viewing there and then, but sometimes people are desperate to sell and will take a seriously low offer

unkel · 20-06-2023 11:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742175#Comment_120742175

Not necessarily desperate. But you have the cash in front of their eyes and someone else might offer closer to asking price tomorrow or next month, or nobody might. And the ad has been up for a while, no (serious) callers yet, maybe if you are lucky there has been a time waster or two. Play a bit of psychology with this and the seller gives in and you got yourself a bargain. I do it all the time. There rarely really is any negotation. I come up with my offer and that's it.

But obviously if you get a seller like @wotzgoingon, that's all unlikely to happen

graememk · 20-06-2023 11:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741988#Comment_120741988

Cash in hand and a tail light warranty can often swing a deal.

ted1 · 21-06-2023 12:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120673268#Comment_120673268

Divanes were the. Grapes when I bought mine , rang all VW dealers and they were the best priced.

no messing. Simply cheaper.

ELM327 · 21-06-2023 08:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742175#Comment_120742175

I've both told people to get off my property and accepted lowball offers in the past. It depends on the car and your own (seller) situation. In the second, I was buying a house and needed the cash.

Casati · 21-06-2023 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120740278#Comment_120740278

That one has 146km on the clock - if I bought it I'd be out of battery/ motor warranty in six months, that is a major concern for 99% of people buying expensive ev's. The one at auction on paper looks very cheap - it was in a good colour, had the expensive tow bar too but best of all it had 100km less than the private one. The photo's aren't great but looks like maybe €1000 of body work needed to get it back - so that's 28k+ which is still okay especially with battery/ motor warranty on it

Casati · 21-06-2023 10:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120739456#Comment_120739456

What would that have cost new - almost 75k with the extra for paint and alloys? The idea that you can sell a new Tesla after a year for more and you bought it for I think has been debunked- that owner is looking at 25k depreciation for a little over a year

unkel · 21-06-2023 10:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743458#Comment_120743458

As I said, I wouldn't buy that one either for numerous reasons. But the poster had claimed you couldn't buy a Model 3 for under €30k and my point was to prove that was simply not the case.

Water John · 21-06-2023 12:54PM

Would it be hard to offload privately a 30kw Leaf 161? What price 'should I ask'😉

I have a trade in offer.

McGiver · 21-06-2023 01:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743458#Comment_120743458

The one at the acution sold for €25000. Plus €2000 fee (incl VAT). That makes it €27000 total.

The screen is scratched, there are several scratches on the body, the rear bumper is deformed on the right. And it might not have a granny charger or any cable for the matter.

One would need ~ €1500 to get the bodywork done. For €28.5k you'll end up with a decent Model 3 with a tow hitch. But time is money and getting the body work done takes time (and it's a hassle - my own experience). The car made sense only for anyone who can get the bodywork done quick and cheap, needs a a tow hitch and is OK with a scratched screen. After considering that I didn't bid - I was actually looking at the auction online.

McGiver · 21-06-2023 01:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743476#Comment_120743476

It's extraordinarily hard to find one under €30k if you also want to have some battery warranty left.

McGiver · 21-06-2023 01:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743458#Comment_120743458

I've gave up on this 146k on the clock myself. The car resale value will be very low without the warranty. That's my concern, else I'd buy it for €27k or something. I'm sure he'd agree to that.

Casati · 21-06-2023 01:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743476#Comment_120743476

Fair enough- also the U.K. market is opening up- here is a a high mileage but 2020 that could be landed for a little over 30k too. As ever the UK pricing will set the floor for trade-in values with Irish dealers so Id expect further drops in value here https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305237676960?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&include-delivery-option=on&make=Tesla&model=Model%203&postcode=GL52RS&fromsra

joe1303l · 21-06-2023 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744135#Comment_120744135

Unlikely anyone will snap your hand off for it unless priced keenly. 40no. 2016 Leafs on DD ranging from €7K - €14K. You don’t state mileage/spec or condition so I’d suggest advertising it for €1,500 more than your trade in offer and keep dropping the price every few days until you get a viewing.

User1998 · 21-06-2023 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745312#Comment_120745312

If you keep dropping the price people will notice and just keep waiting for you to drop it lower and lower

21-06-2023 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744135#Comment_120744135

Depends a lot on the spec, battery condiition, odo, general condition, NCT status. If it helps we bought a 161 Tekna with 91k km on odo last year for 10.8k but that was before the prices went down and the 40 kWh cars were at 20-30k. A friend just bought a low mileage 141 24 kWh SVE with SOH 82.xx% for ~7k. So somewhere there.

unkel · 21-06-2023 05:54PM

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Trade in offers are meaningless on their own. How much would the deal be cash? If say the cash price of a deal would be €50k (without trade in) and your trade in offer would be €20k (cost to change €30k) then you should be able to sell your car privately easily enough for €21-22k

But it would help if you tell us the above figures for your situation and what car you are buying with what spec, etc. and a bit more about the spec of your car too.

sk8board · 21-06-2023 06:43PM

No private selling listing an EV today (or ICE for that matter), should be expecting to get their list price.

there are private ad’s on carzone with 231 M3’s for €46/47k - plumping up the ad with a load of verbal garbage about how their car is better than the one that’s new for €40k.

no-one in their right mind is offering those guys a penny above €39k, and even that feels high, considering a normal amount of ‘drive off the lot’ depreciation.

m3 prices seem to be holding up around the €30k mark

- it’s ‘a Tesla’

- €30k is a wide market of buyers

- there have been so few m3s sold in Ireland that there’s also a scarcity. Cheap ones are selling fast.

Water John · 21-06-2023 07:50PM

Many thanks everyone, just getting a feel of the options. Will update in a day or two. Car has done 120K.

joe1303l · 22-06-2023 01:06PM

Seems like a good alternative to a Leaf for €12K.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/34336895

2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric

unkel · 22-06-2023 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748741#Comment_120748741

That's extremely cheap. Out of battery warranty, but these generally don't give trouble. Open to offers too, so he likely won't reject ten grand in front of him. Some car for the money, hope someone in here snaps that up!

Stevie2001 · 22-06-2023 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120749194#Comment_120749194

Battery is 200,000km on earlier models for 28kWh, reduced to 160,000km later on newer cars. I would be contacting Hyundai Ireland with reg on exact warranty date and month

Water John · 22-06-2023 04:43PM

Bit the bullet, bought an id4 style with the smaller battery from Divane's. Trade in on the Leaf €8.5K. Put in €3k to lower my monthly payments. 0% PCP only available on the smaller battery. The Leaf still has 11 bars. Hardly ever fast charged may have an effect on that. Many thanks for all your guidance.

unkel · 22-06-2023 05:50PM

Well wear!

It's not a bad trade in if you got the ID.4 for a decent price

joe1303l · 22-06-2023 06:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120749586#Comment_120749586

You won’t get much of a warranty on any €12K car. €12K doesn’t buy you much of a used car these days. Unless you’re doing big miles there should be many years of cheap motoring left in that Ioniq.

Salvadoor · 23-06-2023 08:38AM

Another Tesla up with Merlin today. https://www.merlin.ie/details?listingid=07f2a1ed-b90e-ee11-89fe-f01fafd9cf1d

M3 184kms! the Autoguru report only gives it 2 stars out of 5 for bodywork condition

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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