30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

I think in a topic thats primarily about pedestrian safety from motorists, and someone brings cyclists into it. You're hoping for rational logic where none exists.

Usually, yes. But I haven't spoken to them all. I've repeatedly told the same geniuses on their bikes along my walking route to the hospital. None seem to care, especially the ones on E-bikes.

As a pedestrian, I'd rather face a parked car than one driving towards me on the footpath. It's quite a bit of a difference. So kudos to you on comparing apples with elephants.

I was hit by a 2 ton electric car while on my bike, which frightened me enough to stop cycling. It didn't break any bones but split my helmet open and tore my trousers (maybe the road did that?). Either way, it was a bit of a bang. I was probably doing 25-30kph in a straight line and the car hit me from the side as it couldn't have been bothered to stop/yield at the stop sign. My bike was pretty buckled. I guess I was lucky to be thrown from it as I escaped with just bruising and a bit of disorientarion. Afterwards, the guards gave me the drivers details in case I wanted to make a claim. I didn't, but they covered the cost of my scan. That prompted me to start walking instead 4 years ago.

Last month, a little scrote on an electric scrambler "driving" on the footpath collided with me from behind. I didn't see or hear him coming. He hit me pretty hard, hard enough to knock me, break my leg and the phone in my pocket and disappeared into the sunset. I'm now out of pocket for my trip to A&E and the tax payer is footing the bill for my scans, treatment, physio because the offender is long gone. Plus I've been in near constant agony although I'm nearly fully mobile again.

If given the choice to repeat either accident, I'd rather be hit by a slow moving car than a fast moving bike. Especially if the driver has morals. So I've no problem with the 30kph limit as long as it applies to everyone, but seeing as some folk in society are over riding their 25kph limiter, I remain sceptical.

A scrambler is not a bicycle. It's a false equivalence.

Fact remains your far more likely to have an accident, with a car than anything else. Odds of being hit by a scrambler must be quite low. Regardless of the high profile cases in the media.

The 30kph zone will also apply to legal scramblers. Though an electric Scrambler would be illegal on a road or public space regardless.

So no authority.

The irony here is you are quoting out of date laws which are no longer valid.

The reason they are no longer valid is because it's not always appropriate or safe to be in the cycle lane or staying left. So they were forced to change it.

Unfortunately uninformed people keep referencing old laws and old out of date practice. As your comment demonstrates.

An electric scrambler falls under the electric bike bracket. Otherwise, what is it?

Whatever you classify it as, the "driver" was no more interested in pedalling than I am in skipping, but it's still a two wheeled "bi-cycle". It hurt like hell, I guess because all of the energy in the impact was concentrated via the handlebar that hit me. The impact from the car was more distributed due to the broader profile on the Nissan Leaf. Not sure if that made it better or worse though.

You are correct though, the odds of being hit by a bicycle might be lower than a car due to the sheer number of cars on the road. However, I reckon the odds are changing as more bikes take to the road. That coupled with generally poor behaviour by certain cyclists (mounting paths, breaking the green man, etc) probably means that you are more likely to have an accident with one going forward.

Instead of claiming that the law is old and invalid, perhaps you could provide a link to the latest applicable clauses? If I've missed one, I apologise. Ignorance of the law is not an appropriate defence, but unless you can actually provide it, I will not be able to learn!

Yep, bicycle is two wheels. The clue is in the name. The other stuff is direct from the dictionary. I believe that under 25kph, those pedal assisted electric scramblers fall in that category. Sadly, most aren't pedalled and often exceed the limit so it's a bit of a mess. Either way, they shouldn't be on the footpath nor exceeding 30kph.

Which is a shame. Chances are, they'll police the 30kph proposals just as admirably. So why bother?

The speed limit will apply to the vehicles it normally applies to. That shouldn't need to be explained.