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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    It’s of interest you referring to agreement re American supplied arms can be used to attack targets in UKr only and are not allowed to attack targets on Russian soil. That agreement was based on the circumstances that existed at that time .if certain circumstances change then some aspects on this agreement may change . Eg if Putin uses nuclear weapons, nerve gas, etc.

    as a matter of fact you might remember that Putin and other very senior officials eg Russian ambassador to Irl , denied up to within a day or two of 24 Feb 2022 that Ru has no intention of attacking UKr . BUT, BUT, BUT things changed apparently in the meantime and Ru was left with no option but to invade .

    So what is good for the goose is good for the gander,!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I thought the "manly Russian army showing the woke west how serious they are" shite was put to bed quite a while ago.

    Under Russian law, all of the fighting is already on Russian territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Describes Russian society in general:- Me Me Me and Me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Or more likely, get singled out for fast track conscription?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    If you systematically destroy collective expression what else is left.?


    I pity the poor Russian citizen.


    "I pity the poor immigrant

    Who wishes he would've stayed home

    Who uses all his power to do evil

    But in the end is always left so alone

    That man whom with his fingers cheats

    And who lies with every breath

    Who passionately hates his life

    And likewise, fears his death"


    Bob Dylan



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    The spies are probably too thick (at first) to get the message.


    And the retweeter can also feign claim misunderstanding (a kind of "malicious compliance" )


    The Soviet Union collapsed and this iteration may go the same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I think that the whole point of limiting what Ukraine could do with US supplied weapons as to avoid dragging the US into direct confrontation with Russia, and possibly ww3. So diplomatic speak, these US supplied weapons are to be used for defensive purpose's only. That does not interfere with what Ukraine does with home produced weapons, or what's supplied by other Country's that place no limits or restrictions on what they supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭jmreire


    This post also reinforces my point about Russians not having any say in the war. For people who claim that all Russians are guilty because they don't actively fight against conscription or against the regime in other ways. They don't because presently they simply cannot, and while the situation remains as it is, that's way it will remain. Now if some pushback came in the form of some clans decided that they have had enough, and banded together, and started attacking the mobilization center's, now that could start the ball rolling!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    The west told Russia, in no uncertain terms, that if they go nuclear they will be hammered. The west has burned its bridges with this and won't back down.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    🇷🇺 BUK-M1 spectacularly 🔥💥 destroyed by 🇺🇦


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,048 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Are you saying Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to attack russian territory during a war started by russia?

    If my neighbour starts dumping his dogs sh1t into my garden I sure add hell an not going to put it on my bin for him, I'm going to throw it right back into his garden along with my own dogs sh1t and if that's not working its going all over his windows and doorstep until he gets the hint.

    When he stops and cleans my garden thoroughly from top to bottom and fixes any damage to it and apologises with his tail between his legs then I'll stop throwing sh1t all over his house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    06/04/2023

    With. Neskuchnoye, Volnovakha district, Donetsk People's Republic, Russian territory temporarily occupied by Ukraine.


    n.p. came under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    It looks like Ukraine have staged some sort of attack and had some success according to a Russian source.

    There's geo-located footage of some wrecked Ukrainian vehicles in the area.

    Will be interesting to see if this is just a once-off raid or the start of something bigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Fastpud


    Came across this article showing Russians’ attitude to the war.


    All just want Russia to win regardless of their opinion on the reasons or cause.

    One quote struck me: “I believe that while sending troops into Ukraine was a mistake, withdrawing them would be a crime”

    Maybe the cost of the war needs to be much higher for Russia - much more targets within Russia need to be hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


     "The notion that societies whose main preoccupation today are important things like gender and race politics is going to get involved in such a confrontation i'd struggle to believe."




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Russia have constantly made veiled nuclear threats but never follow through. So we can be fairly sure that they wont just suddenly deploy nuclear weapons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I imagine their stockpile is in as good of shape as their regular force at this point.

    was watching a documentary that under the Obama/GWB admins when it came time to refresh our nukes, we had actual encountered a ‘lostech’ issue: nobody knew how to make a critical bomb material anymore, Fogbank, it was super secret so it wasn’t written on the refrigerator and the engineers who hadn’t already died had forgotten how to make it. We spent a large sum of money reinventing it. In contrast I don’t see the Russians overcoming similar issues with their bombs should they arise.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Youre miles off. If you think that the "global west" is so preoccupied that it will crumble at the first taste of Russian steel youre way off. The collective west aka NATO is gearing up for a full scale military confrontation that might happen in the next 5-10 years and increasing their military readiness all the while.

    The fact that they are not doing so in a paniced and disproportionate way, but in a sensible and methodical manner speaks to the rationality of western systems and to the ineffectual mediocrity of Russias military.

    At the first attack on NATO by Russia, its WW3, and the US is preparing for the possibility of having to destroy the majority of Russias nuclear weapons in the first 24 hours, preferrably by conventional strikes see prompt global strike, B2 bombers etc.

    The only people who are so afraid of Russia that they will cower and let them do what they want rather than stand up to them are the lilly livered MAGA types. I can see red blooded Republicans not selecting Trump for this reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I would say that the ineptitude of the conventional forces is because theyve had to spend so much of their budget maintaining their nuclear arsenal, but I agree that its so shrouded in secrecy that your guess is as good as mine.

    In any event its fair to assume Russia has a sufficient nuclear arsenal to cause massive death and destruction on the US and EU, even if most of their weapons or delivery systems fail or fizzle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I strongly believe that Russia will never deploy nuclear weapons as part of an offensive war. The only instance where it's really worthwhile to use them is if the integral territory of Russia is attacked in a grand strategic way and there is the real possibility of Russia succumbing as a sovereign state to a foreign invader. No other scenario makes their use worthwhile, not while there is at least one other power in the world with lots of nuclear weapons also.

    I think it was Prof. Michael Clarke who outlined what America's response to a nuclear attack from Russia on Ukraine, which wasn't so much that America would hit Russia as America would hit Putin. As I've mentioned before, Putin is so scared of being killed, that he's not going to raise the likelihood to the level of a bunker bomb hitting the Kremlin to that level. Not if he can help it, anyway.

    Russia will use nuclear weapons for threats and leverage, as we're seeing, but that's it. Forward deploying nukes in Belarus shows us that he wouldn't dare do the unthinkable, considering that the missiles bearing nuclear warheads can fly between continents. It is one hundred percent a peace of theatre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Definitely 1 tank on fire it looks like not sure if other vehicles are abandoned or just sitting back as don't seem damaged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It may be a good characterisation of whatever passes for the Russian urban middle class, i.e. the kind you're likely to meet on holiday in Thailand talking down to the wait staff. I don't know if it's typical of the peasants of the provinces, however. I've seen plenty of those old Bald and Bankrupt videos where he goes around those kinds of places and they seem friendly enough, and quite giving of what little they may have. In fairness, I don't expect that woman to say any different - if she says she doesn't want the car, she could get a window in exchange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    @briany " In fairness, I don't expect that woman to say any different - if she says she doesn't want the car, she could get a window in exchange."

    Looks like a propaganda video to me.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    At this rate the Russian volunteers will be coming up behind the Russian army and cutting off them in Ukraine.

    Meanwhile the Ukrainian version of Michael Bay brings you sssshhhh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭briany


    On a lighter note and another example of Russia being behind the times, that pouf hairstyle which saw its peak here in the mid to late 2000s, appears to be alive and well in Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Generally, they tend to form into group's, pretty much as we ( and other Country's do) But there's a stronger level of mistrust with them. Once you get friendly with a group or family, that it, you are accepted. But Russian Life conditions them to look after themselves first and foremost in a much stronger ( if that's the right word) way, than we would do here. They are used to being messed ( there's another word that describes it much more accurately beginning with the letter "F" ) around, especially by the state and its agency's. Its common amongst all of them in my experience, be they City or Rural. Their attitude when abroad is a different matter entirely. Arrogant and domineering just about sums it up, especially from the City Russians.

    Post edited by jmreire on


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