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MS in all its glory

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,016 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    Happy world MS day :)



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Attended coffee morning in Rathgar, and Trinity info seminar.l, asked an apt question re time to see Neurologist. Was left with distinct impression luck was with whoever you were lucky enough to be taken care of, and if they decided zero treatment attempt at secondary progressive your goose is fully cooked. We live in a sh-t country re neurology, how dare they get away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,016 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    I was at Trinity myself and recall your question.

    It's definitely a lottery to getting sorted by a Neurologist. I do feel lucky/privileged to have been seen and diagnosed so quickly but not so lucky to have ms as well.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    The guy who was diagnosed with secondary progressive, seems to be just like myself, only diagnosed after decades of undetected relapsing remitting which in retrospect he realises he had. He asked why he was not offered any treatment at all, and the answer was a bit of a waffle. I can only presume he might have another serious medical condition which might be made worse by current available treatment.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I attended my neurologist recently. They enquired as to when my last MRI was and told them it was 3 years ago. They seemed a bit surprised themselves it was that long ago. I was asked to use my insurance for the scans because I'd be waiting another year to get the scans on the public system if they ordered them straight away. Hopefully my VHI covers it as I have never used it for anything MS related before. I took out the policy after diagnosis but the 5 year wait period for preexisting conditions should be up. Will call them anyway to be sure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,684 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Anyone else hating this heat ?



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Me, not coping too well in it. I'd prefer to work at home all week when the weather is like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭gamerguy1


    It's the humidity that makes it worse I think. My walking is gone with this weather. Hate this weather



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    My place at home is like a furnace, big south facing window in living room. All prickly, nothing working, tetchy, brain fog, frustrated. Very hard to get out of bed tbh.

    I could not believe when I opened a letter today from SVUH telling me I was being given, in terms of neurology, a prompt appointment very same morning in July as I have a private appointment with Prof Hardiman in Beaumont. I haven’t mastered the art of bilocation yet, but I’m being advised by friends and relatives to go for the public one and cancel the appt with Prof Hardiman. Any thoughts?



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Got caught out around tea time this evening. Just approaching the coffee table behind where my sofa is, and intending to sit down, suddenly all limbs froze or stuck together, anyway for a moment nothing worked and I found myself lurching face down, as happened before, this time towards the table rather than the floor. Legs “ricocheted” again the table edge and bounced me back straight up and my limbs once again regained composure and was able to avoid a fall. Previous time I wasn’t able to hold hands out and just recall the found and feel of my face smacking the floor, an absence where I had been unconscious , an inability to move a limb for ages when I regained consciousness and a legs spray of blood about the floor. I really thought it was all happening again, and it’s given me the absolute terrors over again. Lying in your own apartment semi-conscious in a big wet pool of blood and unable to move a finger is terrifying.



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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Had a bad fall at my own apartment jetty at weekend, aided by wine of course. Ordinarily I would have no excess effects like that after similar before recent developments. After coming home from shopping this evening, didn’t feet today, both feet stuck badly together with bilateral foot drop, nearly went tumbling again. I have ordered two splints for myself. This disease is scaring the sh1te out of me.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Attended my GP today, reported the seizure type episode I had. He said he had a good idea of what might be happening and took several blood pressure & sp02 readings, my systolic BP dropped over 20mg on standing up and sp02 went from 97% to 93% in same instant. It accounts for my tendency to pass out, and doc said that when blood supply is momentarily low enough in the brain it triggers seizure like myoclonus and peculiar effects.

    It’s part of the overall way my autonomic nervous system is being affected, swallowing, bladder etc are other such issues. I really thought I was going a bit mad, falling on my face, a previous time having created a big blood pattern the shape of the map of Donegal and its islands 🤣

    I’m booked for a week in Thailand end of next week, made the booking before I realised what was happening to me. Heat affects me badly, will have to spend a lot of time in the air conditioned hotel. Have booked wheelchair assistance at airports.

    The real positive I can say is it was considerably cheaper than booking a similar trip to Europe, flights, hotel, luggage, transfers etc. and I will enjoy the different food and new surroundings.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I’ve just returned from a week trip to Thailand. Having requested wheelchair assistance I was treated very well throughout, with a bid to Etihad booking, I was able to upgrade in 3 of the 4 legs. Thailand is very good good value for money as far as we are concerned! Food splendid!

    Had to transit Dublin -Abu Dhabi - Dublin. Private transfer to resort. 2-/ treated splendidly there. Everyone local got friendly with me, the wobbly woman on the clacking stick.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Have to say I'm delighted for you. Apologies for jumping into the thread, I read all in this forum.

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Back in Ireland for a day, I woke up to almost the worst my mobility has ever been. I have developed acted it all over and knocking and dropping things from my appallingly clumsy hands, clenching spasms all over my torso, double-vision, balance all over the place and feels like I’m walking on newly acquired prosthetic legs. I could draw my progression on a graph. I go sharply downhill, improve very slight, plateau a little bit at the new lowers mobility and the slightly jagged cycle continues. Cognitive issues are huge today, can’t remember what I am intended to do 2 seconds before, I almost put CBD oil in my eyes in error, instead of lubricating eye drops recommended by optometrist.

    Attending SVUH neuro clinic for first time on Wednesday morning, I am bracing myself for the question: “what’s your worst issue?” Like where do I begin.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Start writing everything now, including any memories you have of issues.. I find it helpful on visits to pain clinic as I'm invariably having a "good" day when I go for an appointment



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Yes, the great phenomenon of being in best shape ever when visiting the doctor or the dental visit where the toothache has disappeared! Years ago when I had the colitis I made a couple of visits to a gastroenterologist for my ulcerative colitis. Didn’t take to him at all, and he would say “I don’t think you’ve much to be concerned about”. Very shortly after my last ever visit to him I became very sick with internal bleeding, attended another private hospital where I was admitted, re-scoped and told by new consultant there I had a huge amount of high grade inflammation & damage throughout my colon and that I needed a lot of follow-up. From my hospital bed I emailed the previous consultant who had way underestimated my condition, he said he was genuinely sorry to have missed it. But he was never really enthused by his job as far as I could see, daddy had been a doctor too I heard, so probably pushed into it to some extent. A few years later I underwent a colectomy/ileostomy.

    I do have a list of symptoms, reads like an encyclopaedia of MS symptoms. The prof will have fallen asleep by the time he scans it. 🤣



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    I have my first ever SVUH public consultation re progressing MS symptoms tomorrow morning. As I said previously I was in a private hospital that couldn’t seem to help or refer me elsewhere and it took a lot of doing to get tomorrow’s appointment, which for me will be a crucial moment as I am deteriorating at such a rate.

    I got a sack full of my paper records from the private hospital, and have been sifting through them to bring the most relevant ones tomorrow. Obviously stuff like daily nursing notes will not be including in the folder I’ll bring, but the clinical notes, MRI reports describing multiple periventricular perpendicular ovoid lesions, a spinal lesion, and a lumbar puncture report where “Oligoclonal banding is present” is mentioned at bottom of report. These findings are relevant, I know. I don’t want to undergo another lumbar puncture so hope they will accept this report, and can contact the private hospital for confirmation.

    I know a gadolinium MRI in 3 months was suggested by private neurologist who visited that hospital but would not follow up, and I expect SVUH will order this for me. I don’t know the waiting time there for that, or if I will find myself trying to speed it up by having it done privately. Anyway, I’ll find out more tomorrow.

    I’m bringing those records plus my own notes, as I have got so many symptoms emerging and receding, re-emerging again, it’s difficult to recall at any one moment everything that has happened. Increasing and unrelenting difficulty walking is the common factor all the time.

    Any further discomfort from anybody who has gone down something of a similar path appreciated. 😇



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    Attended SVUH MS clinic first time ever this morning, met the good professor who is pulling out all the stops to get me on Ocrevus ASAP. He thought it was remarkable and totally unacceptable that I could have reached this stage without having had any attempt at medical intervention. Had 15 blood samples, ECG, to get fast tracked contrast MRIs, chest CT, & smear test in preparation for being put on the drug for SPMS.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,684 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Is that professor Mc G .I found him very good .

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Professor Tubs, he wasted no time in starting action, was very focussed on my case. He wondered why I didn’t actively seek neuro attention when younger and having those RR episodes, but as I said when you are getting internal bleeding etc from colitis, cardiac issues, flesh-eating disorder, they kind of take centre stage, and any little mumblings I made about foot dragging and hand going into spasms etc were overlooked as irrelevant. I was once told I had optic neuritis after pain moving eye and blurry vision but they thought that must be part of the colitis, which caused multiple other complications.

    Today when he examined me he asked me, lying on examining table, to lift each leg and immediately my thigh muscles went into a massive spasm and I nearly kicked him. He said it’s pretty patently obvious what’s wrong, but he said it in a way that really validated all the things that have been happening me.



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    I was very impressed overall by the MS Clinic in SVUH. Located beside the coffee shop, has its own loo. My appointment was for 8.50am, I was there early at 8.30, immediately had my details taken, told to take a seat, in 3 minutes la nurse took the obs and 6 minutes later seen by Prof Tubs, before my appointed time. Sent upstairs for the 15 blood samples, those were taken in 15 minutes, immediately down to ECG, taken in 5 minutes. Out of the building into my taxi home before 9.45am, armed with information booklet on Ocrevus and instructed “not to worry, everything is being put in place right now”. The relief I feel is immense, such a weight off my shoulder that everything is being done that can be done.

    Before that I had been thrown to the lions after trying the private route when I became rapidly disabled almost in the fashion of a slow stroke coming on over days. Discharged from the private hospital and told by physician he had no means of getting me followed up, shrugging his shoulders with a silly grin on his face… “I hope you find yourself getting better”.

    I was in despair, my GP didn’t seem to quite known what to do, was unable to use Neurolink referral, just seemed clueless until I begged him to print out a referral letter which I sent in registered post to SVUH clinic. Prof Tubs triaged me directly to his MS Clinic rather than general new patient neurology clinic. He has a very direct, no-nonsense practical approach which I like.



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    Just got a phone call from Blackrock, Prof Tubs asked them to fit me in as quickly as possible for contact MRIs and chest CT, so they have called me in this Sunday evening of all times. Everything is happening so fast now, I can’t believe it.



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    This is the system my GP should have used in the first place, but he apparently didn’t know of its existence 🤷‍♀️



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Getting an awful lot of spasms on my hands, more particularly in my left hand, eg of I even attempt to pick up likes of a kettle it will lock painfully and unpredictably, and the only thing for it is to manually straighten my fingers with my right hand. More disturbingly it was verging that way on the steering wheel of my car this afternoon, and I had to make sure to keep it flat against the wheel. The steering is light in my car, and I am likely to have to give up driving at some stage, before it gets hazardous. As it is I will only drive on my better days, and for appointments etc I book taxis.

    All my muscles are tending to spasm lately, including chest and abdominal muscles, which I interpret as the so-called “MS hug”. The abdominal spasms most often happen when I attempt to get up from a sitting position. I get foot cramps too, and bilateral calf cramps, and on sone occasions thigh cramps.

    Had anyone found any particular remedy good, or might side-effects be worse than the muscle cramps?

    I will get discussing this with the neuro team at some stage soon, but they are focussing on getting me started on Ocrevus asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,684 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Are you on baclofen ? It was the first thing I was on for spasms and it was my ms nurse who put me on it .

    Otherwise with me , I went to the bathroom and managed to fall over on the way back. No harm done but it still took over an hour to get back up

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    Getting up after a fall is so difficult. I have fainted sometimes (had a seizure after fainting too) and had to be carried to bed and unable to move for half a day. Yesterday I nearly fell head first onto the balcony when going to water the plants. I’ve heard about Baclofen, but I’m only new to the system, so the Prof was all for us on putting the foot on the pedal to get disease modifying therapy. Decades of symptoms were ignored, a lot my fault because I didn’t put enough emphasis on them, but I was going through other major stuff, internal bleeding, cardiac stuff, some of it life threatening, so a numb dragging foot takes back seat.



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    Last Wed the Prof ordered brain & spine MRI WITH CONTRAST, he emphasised the contrast bit as being important to highlight newer active inflammation, along with other tests before putting me on Ocrevus. As I have insurance he suggested Blackrock, and yesterday they phoned me to come in Sunday evening to have all this done.

    Today they phoned me and asked would I come in earlier as they found they had been getting through cases quicker than anticipated, and I said fine. I lay on the MRI table and asked when the cannula would be put in from the contrast. They said 40 mins into the procedure they would introduce gadolinium contrast.

    The usual noisy MRI without contrast took place and I emerged out of the machine, expecting the contrast to be given. Instead I was told I could go home. I asked about the contrast and the reply was “our scanner is so good you don’t need contrast, the image is just as good without it”. I began to smell a rat and asked why it was not being done, he mumbled something about “different protocol”.

    I take it that, the place being empty if a Sunday afternoon, there was nobody around qualified to administer the contrast. So much for efficiency and speeding things up for me. Prof will be furious, I’m furious at the repeated inefficiencies of half-fine jobs at private hospitals. That will be another morning or afternoon there, VHI will no doubt be forking out even more than they would have originally.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Falling is terrifying, especially when you are on your own. My first major fall that heralded in the abrupt onset of my current progressive disease was early March. I had been in Dundrum SC that day and was finding it difficult to use the escalators and nearly took a toss on one of them. Kind of wondered was I imagining my balance had suddenly gone really pear-shaped.

    Was wobbly rest of day, couldn’t really figure out why, was a bit worried though, in fact quite concerned. What was I to do about it? Who was I to say it do? What could I do about it?

    In the evening I sat down, had a takeaway, a glass of wine, watched TV, trying to forget about the day I had and my underlying suspicions. Seemed fine, got up to go to bed, next thing saw floor coming up to meet my face, heard a great big crack, and then nothing, blankness. I became conscious again, like waking up after surgery, and realised I’d had a fall & blackout. Tried to move my hands and legs, couldn’t even move a finger. Thought I must have broken my neck and become paralysed and that was going to be the end of me. I had no feeling anywhere.

    After some time passed, I tried moving my limbs again and I could moving them but not usefully to get myself up. Still, I knew my spinal cord was at least intact and that rest might help and I decided I had hope if I just relaxed for a while and get some power back. After an hour or two I had enough power to crawl to the bedroom, and saw I had left a considerable large complex bloodstain the exact shape of Donegal, it’s peninsulas and islands 🤣

    After a good sleep I got myself to Blackrock ED, as I had the insurance, and there had been numerous warnings broadcast to keep away from public EDs. It was crazy busy in Blackrock, and as I was extremely unsteady, dropping things, and having very bad double vision, they admitted me, but end result was they couldn’t follow me up. General consultant said I’d be better off at SVUH but he hadn’t the ability to refer me there and I’d have to go through my GP, and the latter did not know how to use Neurolink to connect with Prof Tubridy, in fact he said he couldn’t see a method of referring me, but I could go private somewhere else.

    Long shot was I got GP to print a referral and I sent it in registered post and got to see the Prof that way.

    But those falls can be multi factorial, I’ve had my foot catching numerous times, legs simply giving way, and had a few episodes of fainting which has been identified as my nervous system being unable to regulate blood pressure mostly either when I stand up or am standing in one place for a while. The drop in BP is a rapid 20+ systolic so no surprise at my blacking out occasionally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 SnapCracklePop91


    Hi all 👋🏼

    First post here and hope that everyone is feeling well.

    I'm just wondering has anyone attended Neurology in Tallaght hospital? I went to my GP about 9 weeks ago with numbness in my right hand, GP seemed to indicate that MS might be the cause and sent a referral for me. Does anyone have any experience in Tallaght and any idea on what the current public waiting lists for Neurology are like?

    Thanks so much 🙂



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