Madeleine McCann

Waste of time she's dead and buried,parents to blame on leaving her alone........you get what you reap,very sad poor child bless.

I've always found the rabid defence of the McCann's putting drinks and food above their childs safety one of the more disturbing things.

Yep. The poor children, you'd think this incident would have made them cop on but clearly not.

All your examples of your daughter are normal living. Kids climbing trees at home and swimming in pools on holiday is normal. You are trying to normalise leaving 3 toddlers on their own in an unlocked apartment. It isn't. It never was. Not in the 80s. Not now. Tragic accidents happen all the time. It's not neglect to allow your child climb a tree. Was your daughter 2 when you left her alone up the tree?

Abduction is rare so let’s say that wasn’t on their mind. Why were they not afraid of Madeline just waking up and wandering off through the unlocked door? I gather they were beside the road.Maybe she did. I would see that as the primary risk. To say nothing of any of them waking up and just crying. I don’t know how close the swimming pool but falling into that would be another risk.

I don’t let my dog out of my sight when I’m out never mind three toddlers.

I find it not only disturbing, but also offensive together with that "the poor McCanns are suffering so much already".

It was the McCanns who were the first committing a crime of child abandonment, neglect and failure to protect, and that clearly in favour of a good time out with drinks and food - legally they were never punished. They've put their good time out before the well being of the children.

And sadly there are enough in this forum who believe that just by talking to the media and playing the grieving parents card all the time that's punishment enough.

Yes, but what you're describing as an atrocious error and a mistake is actually a crime. And it's also not a crime, it's against every common sense. It's also selfish, putting personal social lives of eating and drinking before their children's safety.

You could potentially say, that the McCanns are not going to be repeat offenders, in comparison to a drunk driver, who may do it over and over again. For any prosecution it's probably too late, however it often sickened me to the point of being strongly disturbing how the McCanns were portrayed as the grieving parents, but on the other side, it was them who also committed the crime of child neglect, abandonment and failure to protect. And grief is rarely a punishment for crime.

I often don't think the German police have that much on Bruckner as they are leading to believe. Not releasing information in an investigation is one thing, but there's not an awful lot Brueckner could do, if he's in jail. That is, if it was Brueckner. Just talking to his lawyer, but if the police has decent evidence beyond reasonable doubt, there isn't much Brueckner can do, apart from an even longer jail sentence.

I would guess that Madeleine is most likely dead. Her eyes are too distinctive, somebody would have found her by now if she was alive, plus DNA would have done the rest.

If suppose it was Brueckner and he was observing the McCanns before he made his move, he probably also planned on how to dispose of Madeleine. Since they didn't find anything on Brueckner in that hotel room, he probably moved carefully, thus most likely the body of Madeleine is well hidden, most likely far away from any place he visited regularly, like the reservoir.

I'd find it more likely he dumped Madeleine over the cliffs somewhere, salt water would have washed any DNA quickly. Brueckner, as mad in his mind as he was, but he wasn't a complete fool when it came to committing the crime.

About the bins, do you have a link for this? Luz has the public 'drop bins' (holes in the ground that get emptied weekly) but perhaps these are a newer addition (post kidnapping).

Also, as mentioned earlier I've requested that a separate thread be opened so people can bash for or against the McCanns as this thread is constantly derailed with it. Perhaps I'm wrong but I'd rather stick to current updates instead of the constant McCann bashing. Surprised this bashing is allowed.

Both types of bins were in use at the time, i.e. the underground containers and large wheelie type bins. They were also emptied and removed to landfill in the early hours following the disappearance.

Why would you need a separate thread for so called McCann bashing? There are plenty of question marks about the McCanns in all of this that go way beyond the neglectful way they cared for their kids.

Their version of events portrays them as neglectful. How do you know that their version is the truth rather than the best possible spin that they can put on it all? A lot has been said about Bruekner but I have yet to see any evidence in the public domain that connects him to an abduction of Madeleine McCann. He fits a profile and he may be responsible, but it is surprising to me how people seem to have just accepted now that the McCanns were just neglectful and nothing more.

Would you leave two 2 year olds and an almost 4 year old alone in an unlocked apartment while on holidays so you could go to a restaurant with your friends?