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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It's a pity they are so ugly, but I must admit I have a want for them too 😂

    Just came across a 6 bar one for €3k asking. Not going to put it up here - not really a bargain but you'd have a half chance of getting it for €2k. Winter range on a bad day no more than 20km though 😲

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,291 ✭✭✭Soarer


    That's been for sale for a while. Was up over €15k a few weeks back when I bought mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Even better. The fact that the owner is dropping the price quickly means he is eager to get rid of it. Knowing that I'd go over in person and low ball him at €11k. You never know, got be got for well under €12k

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Private sale, he'd be lucky to even the get 10k

    A low range out of warranty EV is very undesirable at that price point

    A leaf at 5k would be a better if anything big went wrong and it's a brick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    LOL, I'd argue the total opposite of pretty much all you have said there. At €11-12k the Ioniq is a total bargain. Only an imbecile would let it go for €10k, it would make more at auction even if the car was tatty with no NCT.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,654 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I think that white Ioniq may have been through an auction recently. I dont remember the reg plate (unusual for me) but there was a 2017 white ioniq with 200k km that went through merlins in the last 6 months and sold at a very good price indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That didn't have an NCT though, did it? Like yourself I can't quite remember

    As always on an out of warranty car: eyes wide open. When you go see the car, you could check battery via OBD2 port. Also I would ask the seller to fully charge it then take it on a spirited drive, if you know Ioniqs, you will know if the battery is lasting ok. These cars are not known to have serious battery degradation in terms of less available range, even after 200k km

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,291 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I really don't know why you frequent the EV threads. You seem to be constantly putting them down, more often with nothing more than hearsay.


    If it checked out, that Ioniq is a bargain at its current price. Anything less and it's a complete steal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Strong whiff of mike9823 or his other 20 aliases that used to frequent this forum a few years ago ?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,654 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    My sentiments exactly. Get that muppetcheck out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭bootser


    As a bit of balance I have my Ioniq up on DD atm for 15, exact same car in black as the one advertised at 13. I wouldn't dream of letting it go at 13, never mind below. All the good things said about that car is true, I'm in mine 3 + years with no issues whatsoever and am now just thinking of keeping it. At 13 it's most Definitely a Bargain!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod note: back to EV bargains, instead of discussion of individual posters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭RM Ernest


    Out of interest Bootser have you had much interest in it at 15k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭bootser


    Nope, but I haven't really put enough effort into my ad either! The ev market looks to be falling for out of warranty cars. Even the newer Ioniq 38 have seen a haircut on asking prices in the last couple of weeks! (that's what I was looking to get into)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭RM Ernest


    It's definitely turning back into a buyers market the last 2 months for 2nd hand EVs anyway.

    Good luck with the sale 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Trickle effect of the major Tesla Model Y price drop from January. Though if I'm honest I didn't expect the lower end to be affected. There seem to be a lot of cheap Leafs for sale, haven't seen as many for several years.

    Even more mid price (25k-40k) EVs for sale, most buyers will not get anything like their asking price as this segment is starting to get cramped with the likes of in warranty Tesla Model 3 now to be had for late 20s. There's a second hand ID.3 up there for €56k, seriously? 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    What sort of range would you get from the above-mentioned 28kwh Ioniq? At say 100km/h and 15-20 degrees C?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭bootser


    Id expect 190kms or so for those conditions, cud be more tho, I just don't like to rely on the lower end range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Easily. In good weather in summer you'd get 170-180km at 120km/h at a push.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I would expect a range of about 200kms or a little more at that speed and temperature. Any less would indicate degradation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭bootser


    I'd agree with eagerev, the car will display those figures no prob, but personally I tend to subtract 20kms from the estimated range just to give myself wiggle room!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Personally, I prefer to make it home without having to stop to publicly charge, even if that means pushing it to 1-2% of the range 😁 I guess I've been driving EVs for a very long time now, I've never been stuck with an empty car. The one bad thing about Ioniq (and several other EVs) is that the car goes into "turtle mode" when there is very little range left, which makes the car slow with very little throttle response in order to conserve energy

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,654 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Ioniq turtle mode at 5% is dangerously slow. I hit it a few times, and arrived at zero percent remaining once. If it hits zero and dies, the parking brake comes on!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,553 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It's a 6 year old car though... we bought our Volvo at 6 year old for around that money and it was 46k new. I mean EV owners seem to have their heads stuck in the clouds to be frankly honest. Bargain or... normal pricing reductions. Cars lose large part of value being driven off the lot then 2 to 3k per year there after. That's how it works. The market is reflecting that tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Almost all EVs have a lot lower depreciation than ICE cars.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,553 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Yeah I know. You forget I've been around here for a few years...


    The point is EV owners have enjoyed a few years of this anomaly. It's over, the markets reflecting the values now and will continue to do so.

    Many EV owners have their heads in the clouds though. Bargain ?.. or new normal pricing for cars and ever depreciating asset...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    So you reckon that lower end older EVs had lower than ICE depreciation over the last few years, but now they are on a par?

    I can't honestly say I believe that to be the case. It makes no sense. Now more and more people are opting for pure EVs as their next brand new car (this is increasing extremely rapidly - in Norway it is already over 90% and we are only maybe 4-5 years behind), the demand for cheaper EVs as second household cars will naturally increase. And seeing there were almost no brand new EVs bought 6 years ago or so, it means supply will stay low. Hence prices staying high (and depreciation being low or even negative)

    Where almost 7 years ago people looked at me like I had 7 heads when I bought my first EV, now people will almost look funny at someone saying EVs will never be mainstream. Everybody now knows where this is going and most people know it is going to be swift.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    All I know is that I have my 2021 ID.3 Tour for sale on DD for a month now. The cheapest of only 4 Tours on DD. New today it would be €54k after grant. The car is perfect with massive spec and I have it listed at €35k Not... one... call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It's a tough sell. For only a few grand more people would have a brand new Model 3. The Tesla price drops have taken a large chunk of value particularly off similar priced second hand EVs but probably some value off all cars really except the low end.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    4 seater also, its one of the reasons I did not buy the ampera years ago even though I had only the need for 4 seats, I would have found it harder to sell on.



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