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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I referred to terrestrial-only viewers on the west coast because they can't receive overspill of terrestrial signals from Northern Ireland or from Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,569 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Who would buy them? Cheaper to set up yourself and not inherit all the crap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They can get satellite, Soarview in no way serves this market in any case. RTÉ2's audience is on a massive downward spiral without sport its getting similar audiences to VMTV2

    While I say RTÉ2 is on that downward spiral it still has some goodwill along with a set number of imported programmes, you'd not just be buying a channel that you could ultimately just play out The Chase on.

    Either way RTÉ letting go with of RTÉ2 and 2fm would allow the focus and remove their burdens on the service.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    For reasons I've already told you on this thread, some people can't have satellite dishes. The sports coverage (especially The Sunday Game) itself justifies RTÉ 2's existence, given that there was racing on RTÉ 1 yesterday afternoon. It can't be that difficult for RTÉ to run only 3 channels on TV - and I'm not counting the +1 channels. The RTÉ News channel is useful for coverage of sporting events that RTÉ has the rights to but is unable to show on 1 or 2, e.g. a match involving the Republic's under-21 (I think) team last Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Some but not many on the west coast or in rural areas. I am not suggested dropping RTÉ2.

    RTÉ2 in no way justifies it existents as part of RTÉ with current audience levels. It has little to no PSB remit, its children's content has been vastly reduced while much of those imports are highly commercial in nature.

    RTÉ2 could be sold along with some international sporting rights such as 6nations and Champions league that require only commentary and analysis, coupled with RTÉ's set of imported programmes. This would save RTÉ money in Sporting rights and in programming rights which they could spend on other things.

    It seem terribly difficult for RTÉ to run four channels (you forget RTÉjr).

    Was the Under-21s clashing with sport on RTÉ1?

    As I say RTÉ 1, RTÉ NEWS and RTÉjr could take on much of the programmes you suggest, if it needs to broadcast clashing sports let them offer them up to Virgin Media or TG4.

    Or invest in RTÉ2 properly.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,844 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    2FM is the only music station in the country that can't make a profit, definitely dump that. Maybe RTE2 was necessary when there was limited choice,who watches it now. TG4 is available if there's a clash with sport on 1.

    We're five million souls,all we need is RTE1,TG4 and Radio1. The news is available on the Player if anyone is bothered. Don't think those +1 channels cost much to air anyway, they're mainly for scooping up more and revenue I'd say.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    But TG4 became legally separate from RTÉ years ago. It's for that reason that, overnight, TG4 replaced its simulcast of Euronews with France 24.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    This is true but there is nothing stopping RTÉ selling sporting rights to TG4, VMTV and a potential private RTÉ2 when it has clashing sports.

    In actual fact RTÉ could put clashing sports on RTÉ1 +1, opting out of the +1 schedule for an hour or two.

    BTW the suggested poll option are me reading the room.

    1. Defund: Time to stop funding RTÉ, let it stand on its own 2 feet
    2. Reform: Time for An Post to collect it better and for RTÉ to make reforms internally (But keep as is)
    3. Reduce: the number of services provided by RTÉ to RTÉ 1, RTÉ Radio 1, RnaG and RTÉ News (along with online services such as the player)
    4. Wait: for another report that defines what we really want from Public Service Broadcastings

    and how I would vote

    1. I disagree complete
    2. My preferred option, but RTÉ (and An Post) would have to make massive reforms (I don't think how the license fee is collected is really an issue).
    3. A second option for me, this would be the nuclear option if 2 did not work.
    4. Absolutely not something must be done.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    RTE certainly do want direct exchequer funding because that way, people don't think about being ridden sideways once a year - It won't happen, The future of media commission already said as much - because of 'Perceived or actual bias' [by RTE to the govt of the day]

    FFG already pay RTE millions in a under the counter sort of way with the govt sponsored adverts - 'How to wipe your arse properly' By the HSE, 'Visit the Chester Beatty Museum'...it's free in FFS, 'National concert hall'...all paid for by govt - ads that don't seem to run on any other station and now the new trick is to double up on those with the Irish versions. The next trick will be to have those ads in Albanian. Add to that, the direct sponsorship of a radio show (today with CB) by the state agency Solas

    If it weren't for the 10's of millions paid by govt in this semi-covert support, RTE would have had to clean up their act. It stinks frankly.

    I don't know what SF would do. They may well go down the retribution route I mentioned or, they too may form a cosy relationship with RTE in a mutual backscratching arrangement similar to the one that exists today.

    On your point -

    Anyway seems like the current government is finally going to make a decision on RTE funding and I doubt SF would go changing that again in a couple of years...

    They'd [govt] be very brave to piss people off even more than they are now so I don't really see them doing anything anytime soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The Board need a good kick up the arse, perhaps the CnaM might as their Authority / regulator consider investigating this or telling them to get down to business.

    FFG already pay RTE millions in a under the counter sort of way with the govt sponsored adverts - 'How to wipe your arse properly' By the HSE, 'Visit the Chester Beatty Museum'...it's free in FFS, 'National concert hall'...all paid for by govt - ads that don't seem to run on any other station and now the new trick is to double up on those with the Irish versions. The next trick will be to have those ads in Albanian. Add to that, the direct sponsorship of a radio show (today with CB) by the state agency Solas

    @Gen.Zhukov Not just these type of PSAs but also lots of programming from Screen Ireland funded Drama to SFI funded Lifestyle such as Hospital Live, from EPA's Eco Eye to Bord Bia's Cookery programmes, in one of their annual reports for independent production it showed that 50% of the funding for independent productions came from a range of outside sources. Couple with the fact that last year the government pick up the tab for the NSO.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,842 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Irish language ads are a complete scam.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    That's a ruling passed down from the Language Commissioner. I think 50% of all of those ads must now be in Irish. The problem that your seeing IMO is that the adds are far to wordy even in english and the Irish translations are just all over the place and really just an afterthough.

    PSA ads in Ireland are dreadful to begin with with little to no creativity causing even less creativity in Irish.

    We won't be getting another one of these anytime soon.

    https://youtu.be/0EZvqTt9zoc


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Summer Time is official.

    RTÉ ONE's main daytime TV show take a 4 month break, to return in "September", Maura's went to a 3 day week due to the work life balance issue that seems to be really hard on RTÉ staff! 2 day a week's Sinéad  never really got that pressure, she's off to Brussels to be with her hubby, she only gets 4 months there, can you imagine the hardship!

    But poor Aul Daithi he's got to do the Rose of Tralee, so he's prob busy preparing for the 2 day even in August and then sure its all go after that as he prepares for they return of Today on the 25th of Sept!

    Soon the news crew will be off on their extended break, because its sleepy season in politics would and as the former head of news once tweeted in defence



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,844 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's embarrassing the national broadcaster can't do a full news bulletin during the holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    They'd [govt] be very brave to piss people off even more than they are now so I don't really see them doing anything anytime soon

    Is there not massive pressure on them to come to some sort of decision at this stage, it's been long-fingered for so long.

    The Government has committed to reforming the TV licence by the end of the third quarter of next year.

    This seems to be the currently favored option

    It is expected a form of “universal levy” will be introduced, which will apply to most households, regardless of whether they have a TV set.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But you know why they don't broadcast over the summer?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,844 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I believe the excuse is the Dail isn't sitting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    That's is very true but also €60m uncollected licence fees and I am sure that if we just paid the licence fee RTÉ would start producing a full time TV news service. This should cancel out the fact that the Dail isn't sitting right?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,844 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    God bless your faith,but no.

    I pay my license and I want a decent service. Blaming the poor mouth for every flaw doesn't cut it.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why has the Gweedore explosion not been mentioned so far on today's Six-One, as of the time of this post?

    Edit: there has just been a brief reference to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov



    The Government has committed to reforming the TV licence by the end of the third quarter of next year.


    And the govt has always followed through on all of their commitments on time right? eh...USC anyone?

    Ideas are being floated about a Nov GE following an Oct 2024 giveaway 70/80's bribe type budget, so if this were the case (and it does seem like a last chance desperate strategy) FFG will implement a universal levy to support an already despised RTE just before the GE?

    (^ that's not meant to be a quote - stupid platform)

    So if I've gotten the sequence right it's - Implement a universal levy to help RTE before end of Sept, - a second giveaway budget in Oct - GE in Nov? All in the space of a few months.


    Nice one, that'll end well


    EDIT: Unless the plan is for govt to force through the universal levy in a bid to ensure a ramping up of RTE's anti SF agenda pre a GE (a sort of quid pro quo arrangement) - A big gamble for sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Has a subscription arrangement been considered? This is kind of the opposite of the universal charge.

    The idea would be that if you like RTE you can pay for it. If you don't like RTE you don't pay but can continue to watch other channels. You could break it down so that you could subscribe to individual channels such as RTE1 for example.

    This would solve the problem of people having to pay for something they have no interest in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,569 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I bit harsh :-) but yep, that would certainly be the outcome of Emblematic's reasonable idea - They'd be gone in 4 months. The gravy train would come to a shuddering halt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    However the opposite - paying regardless of the quality of RTE's output - has its problems too. Fantastic if you are an employee of RTE, but where is the incentive for RTE to produce high quality content? My worry is the once everyone has to pay for RTE even if they don't watch television, the standard will plummet rapidly.

    It would also solve the problem of license fee evasion which RTE are complaining about: thousands of people not paying the license but still enjoying RTE. With the subscription model, if you don't pay the subscription then no RTE for you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Not sure if you're just being contrarian here but...

    No a subscription model has not been considered because it would gut RTE's public service broadcasting capacity. You'd end up with something like a poundshop VM1. We don't have the kind of right-libertarian political parties that would countenance such an outcome...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,844 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    A state broadcaster is necessary,but most of what they do is a folly. The unionised subsidised model is a recipe for laziness.

    One channel a plus one and a radio station is plenty for a country our size. Radio1 is a national joke though.

    I do find it strange nobody takes them to task for the money they get. The crazy salaries,constant repeats,the nepotism,lack of original programming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,842 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That. Also it'd render every Saorview TV and set top box in the country obsolete overnight. BBC, ITV, Ch4 dropped encryption on satellite because of the excessive costs...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I agree with you on the quality side of things. This is one problem that exists in RTÉ that RTÉ should be able to fix.

    My reading of what RTÉ are saying is : -

    "We are working really hard to provide the service that we do but that service really needs to be paid for by everyone so that we can maintain the standard of service and the number of services that we currently provide"

    This isn't good enough for anyone regardless if they actually use the services that RTÉ provide, its particularly bad for those that do use the service as they will see no gain.

    The summer holiday for Today on RTÉ ONE (and all of RTÉ daytime programmes since Live @ 3) is crazy. Where does this come from. I can apperciate that Today is slightly better than Ireland AM but I don't see the value in spending way over the necessary cost for a Daytime or Morning TV programme when you could either

    1. Opt for a low cost model for such shows and produced them across 50 weeks of the year and produce more of them. OR
    2. Use the money for quality peak time TV, which you can eventually rerun during daytime hours.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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