Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

RoTelly · 10-05-2023 09:50AM

It is great to see all those who heralded the arrival of sky do a complete U turn with GAA GO.

The sky deal was never good it was always about Sky loosing rights to BT, once that dust settled Sky moved on. I really love to see the figures for new GAA clubs around Britian during that time, I am LMAO.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575764#Comment_120575764

Turns out, very clearly stated back then in 2014. Shhh don't tell anyone but RTÉ owned 50% of LoI TV and owns 50% of URC TV. https://www.urc.tv/

The issue is with the structure of these companies, they should be at arms length.

As for VMTV they would have been aware of Sky's exit did they approach the GAA for rights as I have always said VMTV have as much, if not more, chance of securing the TG4 set of matches only they choose not to.

I feel no sorrow for the GAA heads who thought the Sky Deal was so amazing, same deal different company only now the BBC will actually air the finals live on BBC TWO across Britain, a far better deal from a "progressing the game" perspective.

Gen.Zhukov · 10-05-2023 09:53AM

Dee Forbes and the head of sport in RTE Declan McBennett, are both directors in Gaago media ltd.

In a personal capacity? How does that work?

RoTelly · 10-05-2023 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578515#Comment_120578515

They would be appointed by RTÉ as members of the board as RTÉ are 50% holders of the company.

Really just a governance role more than a management role. But most likely the RTÉ's group head of sport should not be on the board and the Director of Strategy and the Director of Commercial should be the board members on GAA Go.

Once Dee Forbes goes from RTÉ she will no long be involve in GAA Go.

RoTelly · 10-05-2023 06:48PM

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-corrects-record-on-vmtv-statement/

Kind of guessed this, it is strange that VMTV/TV3 haven't changed over the years but that Management seem to kind spout the same kind of stuff.

1. From as early as February 2021, the GAA contacted VMTV and other parties to gauge their interest in acquiring rights packages that would become available in the renewal of the GAA media rights in 2022. The initial call was followed up by a detailed description of the various packages available.

2. Thereafter followed several meetings, telephone calls, emails and document exchanges between the parties.

3. The GAA did not receive a formal bid from VMTV or an expression of interest.

4. In June 2022, VMTV were again contacted to clarify that they did not intend to make a bid. VMTV were clear that their model was not to acquire rights but rather to acquire ‘ready to go’ packages ie productions which don’t require outside broadcast set-ups for live match coverage.

5. In short, VMTV were afforded every opportunity to discuss options, variations to packages and to submit a confidential offer. VMTV choose not to bid.

AKA we don't actually want to make programming.

RoTelly · 11-05-2023 04:19PM

VMTV have come back and said this is not true what they said !!!

And on that front the from CEO of TV3 believe them but not on how badly the organisation was run when he sold them at a massive loss from 265m in 2006 to 80m in 2016!

here was his take

https://twitter.com/DavidMcredmond/status/1655993384165572636

kneemos · 11-05-2023 04:28PM

Nobody wants to watch sports in VM's potato vision.

UsBus · 11-05-2023 07:59PM

RTE really are taking the Mick with their scheduling. "How to be good with money" repeat this evening from probably a couple of years back. Followed by "Cheap Irish houses" repeat from a couple of years back as well. Both going out at prime viewing times. The whole organisation is a bit of a farce at this stage. Can only see it going further downhill at this stage.

RabbleRouser2k · 11-05-2023 11:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120585058#Comment_120585058

It's gotten to the stage that you've got one or two shows per day that are new, and the rest are repeats. I can understand the eurosong/ eurovision would disrupt things, but next week will be the same, and there won't be an excuse for that.

ShamNNspace · 12-05-2023 07:55PM

Lord above "Hospital live", as if there wasn't enough pain and disease in this world, who in heavens name watches this stuff for entertainment, it's like a parody at this stage

RabbleRouser2k · 13-05-2023 02:50AM

I feel the same for VMTV's inside the hospice.

I understand the need to confront death, and sort of move away from the fear it inspires.

But also... I've been thru that with a family member. And I don't want or need to revisit it.

Atlantic Dawn · 13-05-2023 03:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120589929#Comment_120589929

Joe Duffy will be walking around with a wigwam on him.

political analyst · 13-05-2023 11:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578505#Comment_120578505

Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK in which Gaelic matches are shown on terrestrial TV. In Great Britain, viewers who want to see matches being shown by BBC NI can only do so via satellite dish, cable or the iPlayer.

RoTelly · 15-05-2023 11:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120594636#Comment_120594636

Part of the deal will mean that BBC will show one of the All Ireland Finals across Britain on Terrestial/FTA channels.

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022/bbc-agrees-new-landmark-broadcast-deal-with-the-gaa

This landmark agreement means that the All-Ireland semi-finals will be broadcast on BBC iPlayer and that either the All-Ireland Senior Football Final, or the All Ireland Hurling final, will be shown ‘live’ on BBC network television – bringing these fixtures to a UK-wide audience.

political analyst · 15-05-2023 08:02PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-65605287

In 1992, in the immediate aftermath of the Teebane bombing, Brooke was a guest on the Late Late Show. Gay Byrne tried to coax him into singing Danny Boy. Instead, Brooke sang Oh My Darling Clementine.

Obviously, Brooke himself was criticised for singing on TV just after a Troubles massacre.

But it seems that Byrne and RTÉ were not criticised.

What was Gay Byrne thinking when tried to get a Danny Boy rendition out of Brooke? Did Byrne forget about what had just happened at Teebane?

RoTelly · 20-05-2023 12:42PM

Here we go again. Not even in the job and Himself and the chair ( Siún Ní Raghallaigh) met with the Minister and main political figures (excluding SF at least that seems to be the case)

If I could add a poll the options would be : -

Defund: Time to stop funding RTÉ, let it stand on its own 2 feet
Reform: Time for An Post to collect it better and for RTÉ to make reforms internally (But keep as is)
Reduce: the number of services provided by RTÉ to RTÉ 1, RTÉ Radio 1, RnaG and RTÉ News (along with online services such as the player)
Wait: for another report that defines what we really want from Public Service Broadcasting.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-rte-boss-lobbies-ministers-to-let-revenue-collect-tv-licence-fee/a149036598.html

RoTelly · 20-05-2023 12:47PM

New thread was going to wait but the former acting DG is on the same bandwagon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058297243/kevin-bakhurst-banging-the-rte-tv-licence-drum-again-60m-uncollected-fee/p1?new=1

kneemos · 20-05-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619891#Comment_120619891

Won't happen before the next election. If SF are in it definitely won't happen. At least have a fair system though if they must have a license and have everyone pay that should.

I'd argue it's a public service and should come from general taxation anyway.

RoTelly · 20-05-2023 03:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620255#Comment_120620255

None of the political parties are looking for any change when it comes to this.

An example of why it should not come from General Taxation

In 2011 Eamon Ryan in an GP/FF government increase funding to RTÉ via the licence fee (in line with inflation AFAIA)... this was the last time it was increased ... it stands at €160 per year... however TG4 is funded by direct taxation and the same government cut funding from the excheucre to TG4 ... and replace it with funding from the license fee ... this was not reversed until 2018.

Perhaps An Post might get better at collecting the fee.

Loafing Oaf · 20-05-2023 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620337#Comment_120620337

Have SF clarified their position? I would have thought the move to direct exchequer funding would be the kind of radical, transformative change they would be looking to make in government...

Gen.Zhukov · 20-05-2023 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620356#Comment_120620356

I'd doubt that. If SF do get in, it'll be payback time for them for the years of blatant bias RTE showed against SF - RTE know this and will go 'all in' against SF in the run up to the nest GE in a bid to stave off the wrath of a party with a score to settle

I dislike both RTE and SF, but I dislike the bias shown even more

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2023 11:08AM

It really doesn't make any difference whether it's a licence fee or direct taxpayer funding. How much they get is a political decision either way. That's why the licence fee has been frozen for years, no party wants to be the one to give RTE an increase in funding.

Also, bias against SF 🤣 they haven't done nearly enough in calling those murderers to account.

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2023 11:12AM

We get another VM only worse.
Not going to happen as the number of households who genuinely don't require a licence is only going to increase. Can't really increase compliance without taking a very draconian approach which isn't a runner politically.
Maybe. RTE2 and 2FM are useless anyway and would be missed by few. But the savings would be small.
The Micheal Martin approach, he never approached any issue without commissioning and then ignoring a few reports...

The reform of the TV licence has been a contentious issue for successive governments who have failed to reform it. There has been no increase in the €160 fee since 2008.

Says it all. Nobody wants to touch this hot potato with a bargepole, to mix my metaphors 😉

Beasty · 21-05-2023 06:41PM

threads merged

political analyst · 21-05-2023 11:36PM

I read in the Indo (Saturday 20 May) that Bakhurst has made a direct appeal to the Taoiseach and other senior government figures to let Revenue collect the licence fee. But the Department of Finance has pushed back on the Revenue option. The Government is due to make a decision on the licence fee in the coming weeks. A form of "universal levy" - applying to most households, regardless of whether they have a TV set - is expected to be introduced.

A second government report on TV licence reform has been on media minister Catherine Martin's desk since the end of March. The Government has committed to reforming the licence by the end of the third quarter of next year. A spokesperson said that it's a complex issue and that Ms Martin is considering the detail of that report before bringing it to Government in the future.

political analyst · 21-05-2023 11:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623376#Comment_120623376

Forget the 3rd option. Why leave terrestrial-only viewers on the west coast from Mayo to Kerry with even less choice?!

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2023 10:40AM

There's a great selection of free to air satellite channels for anyone who wants them.

Loafing Oaf · 22-05-2023 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620411#Comment_120620411

So SF would refuse to embrace direct exchequer funding purely because it's what RTE themselves seem to want?

Anyway seems like the current government is finally going to make a decision on RTE funding and I doubt SF would go changing that again in a couple of years...

political analyst · 22-05-2023 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120626553#Comment_120626553

For various reasons, many people cannot have satellite TV, i.e. cost, not allowed to have a dish either because the landlord doesn't want it or because the house is a listed building or a preservation order on nearby trees that block the line-of-sight that is necessary for reception of satellite signals.

Furthermore, there's no guarantee that most of those channels will stay unencrypted. The technology that is used for the Sky Glass TV service will probably make the dishes used to received satellite TV obsolete eventually.

RoTelly · 22-05-2023 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623376#Comment_120623376

These would just be options on a poll

I agree
Change the rules in terms of who needs a licence to households, An Post never did a good job collecting the licence fee in any case, and it would be an over all reform of RTÉ
Imported programmed (which mainly airs on RTÉ costs €25m while 2FM cost them €5m form the license fee, I'd the lost ad revenue would be minimal)
Yeah seems to be what some posters want.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624911#Comment_120624911

Why? There will be a change and the change ... oh wait your right there is no change Kevin Bakhurst is the new Dee Forbes and Suin Ni R is the new Moya D.

RoTelly · 22-05-2023 02:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625742#Comment_120625742

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120627406#Comment_120627406

@political analyst On the west coast? maybe along the east, but I'd say your safe in the West on those issues.

Choice wise you could always sell RTÉ 2 and 2FM and the new owners could keep the running.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore