Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Quin_Dub · 10-05-2023 08:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578026#Comment_120578026

"Rape" is an extremely specific charge under US law and can only involve the "penetration of a vagina with a penis" , unlike elsewhere where it covers a much broader range of sexual assault as it rightly should.

Because Carroll couldn't definitively say exactly what it was that Trump put inside her , the charge of rape wasn't viable under the very narrowly defined US law.

The jury believed that he assaulted her and "penetrated" her , hence the liability for sexual assault

I feel beyond dirty just writing the above details...ugghhhh.

He's scum , but his core support won't shift as they have bought into the narrative that all bad news is FAKE , but like you say , swing voters are gone.

They either vote for Biden or they sit the election out.

I think 2024 is a bust for the GOP either way - Trump runs and he loses or they push Trump out for an alternate and enough of the MAGA loons don't vote or put Trump as a write in to hand the Democrats the win.

Brian? · 10-05-2023 09:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578026#Comment_120578026

I think the swing voters were long gone anyway, to be honest. I was more referring to his support among Republicans. He can do a huge amount of damage when he wins the nomination. It sickens me to watch it happen.

ancapailldorcha · 10-05-2023 09:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578401#Comment_120578401

Exactly. Your "small c" types probably jumped ship some time ago. Biden being as old as he is probably made the choice more palatable for them. I think the GOP have screwed themselves hard in the long term. Truth be told, they've only hung on by virtue of a series of corrupt practices such as gerrymandering along with the senate giving disproportionate power to rural states. They could have reinvented themselves like the UK Tory party does so well but instead they went full on culture war.

pixelburp · 10-05-2023 09:52AM

The entire "Biden is too old" narrative is something of a masterstroke of marketing and political spin: Trump is only 4 years Biden's junior yet to hear some in the GOP - and plenty contrarians outside it - Trump is this physically younger, superior specimen. I suppose Trump is that type of male, rich and insecure, who desperately tries to present as younger - and god knows he marries / gropes much younger - but arguably the man is far less healthy and active than Biden. The thatched hair and spray tan doesn't fool many.

Flaneur OBrien · 10-05-2023 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578509#Comment_120578509

That's the thing. Biden may fall off a bike, but at least he can still get on one.

VinLieger · 10-05-2023 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578843#Comment_120578843

Yay i get to use my favorite trump fact again. Its not the he cant get on one(though I agree he probably cant), he simply never would as he honestly believes humans are basically like batteries with a limited amount of energy and excercies expends this so you die quicker........

Quin_Dub · 10-05-2023 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578875#Comment_120578875

The "Human Battery Theory" brought to you by lazy fat bastards everywhere as a way to justify their slovenly sloth like behaviour by pretending that it's scientifically warranted.

pixelburp · 10-05-2023 06:35PM

This may be awkward: CNN to host a Town Hall debate with Republican voters. You'd have to wonder if there is some serious vetting of the audience's questions going on, damage control the risk of someone asking about the case. No idea how stage managed those kind of TV debates can be. Suppose it depends on the network. Cos one thing we can be sure of: trump's response won't be diplomatic or considered.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/10/cnn-trump-town-hall-rape-trial-2024

ilkhanid · 18-05-2023 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120580518#Comment_120580518

Your last sentence was spot on. I used to consider myself unshockable as regards Trump's behaviour, but I was aghast as how utterly crude and vile he was. He's learned nothing and it was depressing to see how the MAGA faithful lapped it up. To them he can do no wrong. Literally.

aloyisious · 18-05-2023 05:34PM

It seems Governor DeSantis is going to formally announce his candidacy for the presidency in 2024 next week. Some donors got invites down to Miami on Monday last. A diversion of dollar funding would not be welcomed by the former president. If DeSantis got the R/nomination instead of Trump, would Florida be a big enough state to house both him and Trump?

Quin_Dub · 19-05-2023 08:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613669#Comment_120613669

If Trump doesn't get the nomination , he'll burn the place to the ground.

The "RINOs" will have "stolen the election" and he'll have his MAGA loons out protesting and ranting at the GOP Convention.

He won't run as an independent , but he'll dance around it and fund-raise off claiming that he'll take legal challenges to the results etc. etc.

25% of the GOP core vote will either stay home or protest vote with him as a write in and they'll vote for absolute nutters down ballot as well.

VinLieger · 19-05-2023 09:04AM

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He's nowhere close to touching trump on a national level, and his ridiculous policies are starting to impact his popularity in Florida now as Hispanics are fleeing the state leaving shop shelves empty, building sites with 30% less employees and fields of produce unpicked. Disney have just canceled some construction and likely will stop more soon as well, on top of their court case against him being practically already won due to his own public remarks admitting guilt to specifically targeting them for their stance on his anti lgbt stuff. Right now I don't see how Trump loses the nomination to him.

pixelburp · 19-05-2023 09:04AM

Interestingly, DeSantis had the law changed in Florida that requires governors et al to resign if they declared themselves as candidate. so he gets to maintain power, privilege - and the pay cheque - while trying to be President. The same bill includes some new voter restrictions, but hey, it's a Red State so that's par for the course at this stage.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/15/ron-desantis-florida-laws-presidential-run

ancapailldorcha · 19-05-2023 09:59AM

Disney have scrapped a plan of almost $1 billion to build a new corporate campus in Florida.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65639132

They didn't blame DeSantis but it seems clear what the problem is. I've heard that there are worker shortages bedeviling Florida as well, almost certainly due to draconian restrictions on immigration.

Culture war politics is great until people feel the hangover. I can't see this panning out well for Ron and his presidential ambitions.

Quin_Dub · 19-05-2023 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615685#Comment_120615685

There are huge worker shortages across all the typical "manual labour" type roles across Florida since the immigrant crack down .

There are also general shortages of food and other goods as deliveries aren't happening etc.

ancapailldorcha · 19-05-2023 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615794#Comment_120615794

So, it's Brexit but somehow even more stupid?

VinLieger · 19-05-2023 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615803#Comment_120615803

"this isn't the racism we voted for"

ancapailldorcha · 19-05-2023 11:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615929#Comment_120615929

I found this on Reddit:

It's fine until I feel the consequences which is the same emotion behind Brexit. Happy to have countless lives ruined and disrupted until they have to do something themselves.

aloyisious · 19-05-2023 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615499#Comment_120615499

Cynical moi: could he be angling for the V/P position next to Trump by pretending to want the main position? Give me a job or I'll.....

Podge_irl · 19-05-2023 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616085#Comment_120616085

Absolutely no way, they clearly hate each other and have already been far too damaging in their comments.

Quin_Dub · 19-05-2023 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616085#Comment_120616085

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616153#Comment_120616153

Agreed - Setting aside their clear and obvious dislike for each other , theres not a chance Trump would want anyone with any remote potential of stealing his thunder.

Same reason why he wouldn't choose MTG either.

None of the usual VP selection logic will apply to Trump , he will want a photogenic lapdog without any personal following or agenda that might steal the limelight from Trump.

ancapailldorcha · 19-05-2023 12:38PM

The Republicans have become victims of their 2016 success. The problem with Trumpism is that there's only one Trump but several imitators who inevitably accompany any sort of success. I'm frankly astonished that neither Trump nor his tribute acts have the cop on to see that 2024 is the Democrats' to lose but then, they wouldn't be Trump and Trump imitators if that was the case.

VinLieger · 19-05-2023 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615946#Comment_120615946

I saw the samee arlier and it was exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that post

VinLieger · 19-05-2023 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616252#Comment_120616252

Kari lake was the frontrunner until she lost the race for arizona governor

Quin_Dub · 19-05-2023 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616926#Comment_120616926

She still might be - She doesn't really have a personal brand , her National persona is based entirely on "Stolen Election, Trump won" and she shows exactly the kind of obsequious fealty that Trump demands.

Tony EH · 20-05-2023 04:14PM

@ancapailldorcha

It's fine until I feel the consequences which is the same emotion behind Brexit. Happy to have countless lives ruined and disrupted until they have to do something themselves.

Isn't that just typical of the modern right these days? Utterly self centred and deliberately oblivious to other people's hardships. Then they're all tears when something happens to them, like losing a gardener that they've been "using" for 10 years.

😕

aloyisious · 20-05-2023 08:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620659#Comment_120620659

Or hospitality-chain bosses losing staff because of state law changes made by others of ths same political party. Was Don biting his lip?

ancapailldorcha · 20-05-2023 09:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620659#Comment_120620659

It is but they've become so focused on ideological purity that they've disregarded their own self-interest. Covid is a great example. Trump dismantled the pandemic preparedness department set up by Obama, spread conspiracy theories about it and promoted crank theories such as Ivermectin and injecting bleach. While I can't prove it, I am certain that with either a centrist Republican or Hilary Clinton, the covid death toll would have been a fraction of what it was in the US.

aloyisious · 21-05-2023 12:27PM

Timothy Parlatore, one of Trump's legal team, has left it. Media reports say he put the reason down to differences he has with one of Trumps advisors, Boris Epshteyn, and has nothing to do with the case or the client. Mr Parlatore stated to CNN's Paula Reid: "The real reason is because there are certain individuals that made defending the president much harder than it needed to be. In particular, there is one individual who works for him, Boris Epshteyn, who has really done everything he could to try and block us - to prevent us from doing what we could to protect the president."

Mr Parlatore had been one of the Trump team working on the Mar-A-Lago documents issue for Trump, and has been interviewed by the Grand Jury investigating that matter.

In response, a spokesperson for Trump told CNN "Mr Parlatore is no longer a member of the legal team. His statements regarding current members of the legal team are unfounded and categorically false." Apparently Mr Epshyeyn, a Russian-American who emigrated to the US with his family in 1993, has been an advisor and attorney to Trump for some years now.

Rjd2 · 21-05-2023 01:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120617009#Comment_120617009

Her loss was definitely one of the cooler things of 2022. Lake had a lot of positive attributes, presentable, charismatic and due to her background on tv news was known in Arizona. She also had the luck to run against a pretty weak candidate, and it was a slam dunk on paper.

However the voters despite all that were still able to spot she was crazy and also terminally online, taunting McCain voters in an Arizona election ? Incredibly braindead strategy.

It was amusing as the Republicans did well in Arizona in 2022 which does prove to me that's is still a conservative state with a small c. However its not a MAGA state which she and Lake discovered. You could say the same with Georgia.

Regarding VP, Haley seems the obvious call she has barely said anything critical of Trump but has been very aggressive towards RDS. She may have entered deluded enough to think she could win but she has obviously released that won't happen so may as well do the next best thing and try get the VP slot with Trump. Its her only path to presidency.

Tim Scott and Elise Stefanik are 2 others who will be worth keeping an eye on when it comes to the VP slot.

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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