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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So not in the next few weeks or months,

    Seems your article is very makey up as they go along ,none of the countries mentioned have said anything about sending their F16s ,

    Which along with training, flight,and ground crews will take 12 +



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Even Ukrainian news saying forces have withdrawan from what left of bakhmut now,

    Fair balls to them for holding out for so long





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Don't think the Bakhmut story is over just quiet yet. Think the Ukrainans are about to play another card.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    The Draken re-furbs should be completed soon... possibly a deal to send them to Ukraine instead with a promise to back fill with further Dutch F-16's?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So that would be no Norwegian F16s aren't going to ukraine in the first batch as you said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Definitely not over,it's only temporarily occupied that won't last too long,

    Regroup,recover, and reoccupy when the time is right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    I didn't realise the airforce officers involved assessing the actual pilots were posting on boards .... 😳 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Now but yet they have documented what's going to happen,

    Unlike Boardsie claims of a few weeks time



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Never say never. They sold 12 to Draken, 32 to Romania, and still had about a dozen left (unclear whether there were 55 or 57 still in service at the time of retirement). Of the 55/57, 10 were dual seater trainers, but no idea where those went

    What we will likely see is several countries supplying a few each, as was done with just about every other system. We're already seeing that in terms of the training.

    Will they be using them in Ukraine next week or next month, nope, but they will end up using them there, its just a matter of when. My personal guess (as good as anyone elses) is that they will arrive on the ground, with fully trained crews and support infrastructure, next spring. It might be sooner, it might be later, nobody knows

    Now, all that being said, in 14 years on Boards, I've never seen someone twist themselves into knots more than you have with this F-16 discussion. While its been entertaining to watch, its run its course now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭Rawr


    My hope is that the Wagners are being encourged to settle in, camp down and stay in Bakmut…while the area gets encircled and they are trapped there. Then they can enjoy ruling over the gutted hulk of a minor town, while they run low on supplies and finally are forced to surrender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We share the same opinion so ,

    As I said from the very start when we had posters telling us A-10 warthogs were arriving in a few months, didn't happen but I yet Said the exact same thing training and logistics would need to come first so something like 2 + years ,then we had the same posters telling us F18 hornets was a dome deal see you in a few months were just waiting for the announcement, didn't happen, again logistics and training and infrastructure comes first,

    Now we're on to F16s there coming in a few months,

    But what about training, logistics and infrastructure first and foremost will take about 2 years according to experts and pilots themselves,

    It will be a multi year program,but I never said they weren't going to get them ever as I said since last year it won't happen overnight,

    No idea where your getting this notion of twisting myself in knots, I've been saying exactly what I said for all of the other Nato/American aircraft that didn't happen,

    But like others before make a claim,then stop posting about it then come back and say I'm gettin you...or something similar but yet never happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I’m wondering if NATO are being a bit cheeky and have been playing a clever mis-information campagn for the benefit of the Russians. Like with the Leopard & Abrams tanks; they made it look like the Germans & US were reluctant to supply tanks, but I suspect they had always intended to supply them. They just played up a sort of diplomatic fiction to confuse the Kremlin…until it was too late.

    Prehaps the same has happened with the F16? That it was always the plan give Ukraine these fighters, and NATO decided to create confusion on the Russian side, right up until it was too late and their airforce were facing Western air-tech with little warning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    I am not quoting boardsies.... I'm quoting the actual assesors ... try focus on that and then come back with a somewhat coherent reply



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Then again it could be a ploy to bring Russia to their senses and end this nonsense but it could be 2025 +before we see any F16s in Ukraine,we know for whatever reason that the Russians didn't remove the Ukrainan airforce from day one ,but something like this could have them change tactic again and directly target the Ukrainian airforce on the ground, leaving the airforce in a bit of trouble.

    But then comes Russian air defenses ,to operate the newer western munitions they will have to fly at altitudes , which puts them at risk from missles and possibly other systems,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Based off two lads spending a few days in a simulator ,

    Training pilots in the real world takes longer as well as training the maintenance crews that's going to take a hell of a lot of time ,

    Training and basic logistics isn't going to happen in 4 months .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think you could be right as there does seem to be a pattern of conflicting statements which could very well be designed to keep the moskovytes guessing as to what to expect on the battlefield and in the sky above Ukraine. It's funny how a persistent poster on this thread thinks they are such an expert judge on which of these conflicting statements are true and which are deliberate misinformation. Any one with a bit of sense would know in an active war there will be some level of skepticism required when looking at any reports dealing with the conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet this poster is right,

    It's all misinformation now,

    So the experts have said 2 years, previous f16 programs have taken 3 years,

    Random boards guy I don't actually know but I'll keep saying something to try prove the other guy wrong 😂



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You keep harping about stuff that was said in thread a year ago as if its in any way a logical basis for your position, its really not

    The key difference being A10/F18 comments is that they were based on nothing in reality. There was no major announcements, no coalitions, etc. They were comments made in the hope such announcements may come.

    This time around you have the US President giving the go ahead. You have the UK Prime Minister setting up a coalition for training and in time you'll see announcements from various allies as regards numbers being supplied.

    Its a very, VERY different situation. Why you are equating the two is beyond me as its an illogical basis for any kind of reasoned argument

    As regards the last part i.e. the supply question, you seem to be stuck on that point, as in because no supply announcements have been made, that it won't be happening. I think its a pretty safe bet, that as allies are starting up training programs, those announcements will be coming as training nears completion.

    You need to shift your thinking and look at this situation as akin to being a carbon copy of what happened with Germany and the Leopards where the Germans were resistant (same as the US re: F-16's), then they gave the ok to allies, allies and Germans started training programs, and then there were supply announcements.

    You can disagree on timelines, by all means do, its literally a guessing game as far as that is concerned, but maintaining that F-16's won't be going to Ukraine is just silly at this point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Not sure what this means, the map certainly doesn't agree with this assessment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Don't see any encirclement,the biggest question is now will they stop and hold bakhmut or will they move on Ivanivske or chasiv yar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    When will the Leopard Tank force be deployed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's been even longer since the regular Russian military made any significant advancement than it has been for Wagner, and Wagner took eight months. The underlying question to whether Russia can advance past Bakhmut is how many convicts they have remaining to throw at Ukrainian defensive positions. Enough for a fresh assault on towns lying farther along?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    IMG_20230521_161058_063.jpg

    Guys, is the game changing again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yahoo has confirmed through USAF documentation. an internal report made about the topic.

    Your article: “US officials” but retired RAF officer is a U.S. official?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Everyone can see your blinders. Who do you think is still convinced by your show of pretending in your posts they aren’t retired, or that they were not discussing novice pilots that have never flown, and the active duty simulation and the people actively involved in assessing the veteran pilots, well they don’t know what they’re talking about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Zelensky maintaining Bakhmut is not under Russian control doesn't stand up to scrutiny of any available sources.

    There is no evidence of any "encirclement" either.

    Russia do this ridiculous evidence-shy propaganda all the time - this is Ukraine doing the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    IMG_20230521_163412_088.jpg IMG_20230521_163414_391.jpg

    It's getting hard to keep up.



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