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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Yes, but the source is: The suspected state of health of the senior Ukrainian military figure was announced by the Russian war correspondent Andrei Rudenko on his Telegram channel today, Saturday, May 20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There was reports of small arms fire exchanged in the area, but it could well be cook off depending on what was hit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You’re gas.

    the article you cited doesn’t specify a U.S. official but that’s what you’re citing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    When you put it like that it's quite the task. So hundreds of trained personnel to keep 100 pilots flying 50 jet's not to mention back up pilots. Quite the task.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Overheal a retired officer is not by definition an official, so they are unclear on what they're citing.

    What's so funny.

    You claimed about corroborated document was proof to back up your claim, that document was a yahoo post which by stretch of the imagination is a corroborated document to back up your claim

    You cited an article about Bahrain receiving their new F16s which the deal was negotiated and signed in 2018 and how many years later before they received the first delivery,

    That should actually help you,

    Nobody claimed that F16s couldn't be exported to non Nato members, Egypt, Israel,Japan , south Korea, all have them moot point, that was never brought up

    But no you went the route oh what would he know he's retired,

    He knows a hell of a more about it than you, me or anyone else on this thread does ....

    So how many weeks are you willing to stick a claim on .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    With a population of over 40mil, it's not as daunting. There could be plenty of retired pilots that can fly their current fleet, with the most experienced (active combat) flying/training on F16's. Same for ground crew's. I'd say former countries like Poland and Slovakia who have pilots who flew Mig's and transitioned(ing) to F16's would be key to getting onboard with training Ukrainian Pilots. No need to invent the wheel if Poland had a crossover training program etc....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You still need everything in place all of the training not just of pilots, ground crews , maintainers ,all of the infrastructure, maintaining facilities,all of the above has to take place first and foremost, doesn't matter what the population size is ,

    It 31 Abrams tanks are taking over 12 +months to arrive,. explain how 50 F16s is only going to take weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    This isn't a country receiving their first plane and needs engineers, runways, fuel trucks, spanners etc.... (you'll probably comment on metric vs imperial there, but that's beside the point) They are transitioning over from MIG planes to NATO planes. The runways/control towers/fuel tanks, hangers erc... will work ffs.

    The ground crew would obliviously be trained along side the pilots (as evidenced by the sheer number of Ukrainians trained on the Bradly IFV's)

    Generally speaking, the larger the population, the larger the army, the higher number of pilots etc...

    Are you saying if Ukraine had half the population they would have the same number of servicemen/women?

    **** isn't rocket science. I honestly think you're a parody account now.

    I have never said, and I will correct you, nobody here said or assumes F16's will arrive in weeks, I've heard 4 months minimum (although you would get out of the argument and state 'ah sure months are made up of weeks')



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    This thread is becoming unreadable because of the back and forth BS of 2 or 3 posters any chance the mods can do a reset and ban the offenders?



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  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Logically it's totally unworkable. In Ukraine the airfields would be destroyed along with the jets. You could probably count the number of hours on two hands before they were hit.

    Nonsense, Ukraine have jets and airfields functioning since the beginning and will continue to



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    You are moving the goalposts ... its about how long it takes for ukranian pilots to be able to operate an f16 ... And according to military personel who earlier this year actualy assessed the capability of ukranian pilots it takes about four months to train them ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    It’s one poster, and I don’t blame those challenging him otherwise it becomes his personal bs show. We have lost a few really good posters here because of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No I haven't moved any goal posts.

    Your assessment is based off two lads in a simulation over a few days earlier in the year,

    2 British air vice marshalls have already said it will take up to 2 years,

    But people on here say 12 weeks+ based off.....

    The same people claimed that ukraine were absolutely getting A10 warthogs,then F18s ,and now F16s in a few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Anything more on those Norwegian F16s that you were talking about???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    RTE tying itself up in knots saying Bakhmut is lost....changing their headlines....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I know it’s probably a stupid idea but surely something can be built to put around equipment to try help limit the damage from drones, like a cage for example?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They are use nets in some cases where there is foliage to cover them , but it looks like in most cases they are in open fields ,it wouldn't take much to rig semi rigid netting over a position fairly cheap too .

    Screenshot_2-19-1.jpg Screenshot_3-gigapixel-width-1100px-1.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Some kind of cope cage perhaps?

    The problem with these fixed nets and cages is it is immobile.

    For AA and artillery that are often moved around its not the most practical to have nets and cages surrounding in every direction.

    They could have nets etc in a few different locations like fixed emplacements for vehicles to drive into, but then those positions become very easy to look for and the locations of SPGs, HIMARs and mobile AA becomes predictable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well apparently Zelenskiy has indicated that Russian forces now control the remaining central part they were fighting over for ages. But have Ukrainians still got positions on the flanks? But maybe it's all down to language differences. Putin is certainly waving his arms in the air and praising Wagner.



  • Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Netting and improvised wire cages are used in some cases. Netting was already used for camoflauge, it was found in some cases to stop drones also, by causing them to detonate too soon, or maybe not at all depending on the fuze type. Lancets have been caught up in nets several times.

    These are relatively new theats (low-weight loitering munitions, improvised quads dropping mortar rounds etc) so there is some experimentation to see how to defend against them them. You want something that can be deployed quickly.

    The operators have a video feed, so if they see netting or a cage they will try to approach from a different angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    F16s for Romania ,

    This is a pilots view who training on the F16



    Even we struggle at this point, and we started enhancing and getting the F-16 like seven or eight years ago, and we’re still not yet there,” Beraczko said. “We are so close; we are wanting and willing to be there as personnel, as maintenance, as even a force.”


    Romania joined the NATO Partnership for Peace in 1994 shortly after independence and became a full NATO member 10 years later. Each step was a shift to the Western way of warfare.


    From trained pilots and maintainers to required infrastructure to a boneyard of spare aircraft, Romania has been working on its transition to the F-16 for nearly a decade.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    No ...its based on the officers who actually assessed the Ukranian pilots ... not some old chap from the UK

    Please do try and keep up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Two Air Vice Marshalls aren't some chaps , get the feeling there experience in this absolutely trumps anyone's opinion on here by a long way

    Vs a few days in a simulator



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    The worst part of that was the grandmother saying "That's right then!" after hearing that they had gotten the order.

    The banality of evil.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭macraignil


    More details on the supply of F16s to Ukraine in the article linked below that I can't read. A reported translation says it details how 45 F16s will be sent to Ukraine from Denmark and Holland after upgrade work on them is completed in spite of claims by a poster here on boards that F16s going to Ukraine was never going to happen any time soon:

    "Ukraine will receive a total of 45 F-16 fighters, which, after modernization, will be provided by the Netherlands and Denmark.

    Soon, Ukraine will immediately receive four squadrons of F-16 fighters, which will be transferred to the Ukrainian Air Force by Holland and Denmark. This was announced on his page on the social network Twitter by an Israeli military expert who writes online under the nickname The Crisis Watch. According to incoming information, Ukraine will receive a total of 45 fighters , which will replace the MiG-29s lost in the first months of the war.

    The expert stressed that before being sent to Ukraine, the fighters will undergo a deep modernization in Belgium, which will be carried out by the British aerospace company SABCA.

    "I have been informed that 45 ex-Danish and Dutch F-16AM/BM Fighting Falcon fighters will be delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force as a replacement for the MiG-29s lost during the war with the Russian Federation. Aerospace company SABCA in Belgium will overhaul and modernize the aircraft before delivery" , - noted in the message.

    At the same time, the speaker of the Armed Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Ignat, also made a statement about the number of F-16s that will be handed over to Ukraine. According to him, Ukraine will receive a large batch of aircraft.

    "No one will transfer F-16s to Ukraine one by one. They will be transferred by units. An aviation unit is a squadron, in our version it is 12+ aircraft. Western partners have a squadron - this is more, there are up to 18 aircraft. Several dozen aircraft can be transferred to Ukraine to start with to solve current problems ," he said."




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