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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thank God they didn't.

    It is probably something to do with the fact that they did nothing wrong.

    But that's what the far-left does: create non-existent crimes and then demand that people get cancelled and destroyed because of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You're hilarious.

    You really have a tendency to think the worst about people and I feel sorry for you that you are that way.

    I said, "I'm not in a position to watch a video" and you interpreted that to be, "deciding not to watch a video because (I) do not (agree with everything they've said).

    That's completely untrue. I was in a public place and I didn't have headphones. Literally not in a position to watch a video, but you go out of your way to accuse me of something else.

    I was trying to have a conversation with 3 pretty strong minded right wingers about why don't those on the right hand side of the aisle ever apologise. You came back with, "They wouldn't get a chance in sideways. They'd be cancelled, labelled "racist" for life, and looked down upon as "hateful" pariahs of society". And I've asked time and time again for an example of this happening, and the three of you cannot give me one, but deflect, deflect, deflect.

    I think it's interesting to understand the nature of the right vs left debate to analyse these things. I personally think it's good to reflect on ones faults, hold your hands up when you've been wrong, accept it, and move on. And of people have done that meaningfully, we should accept that and move on as well.

    I don't think those on the other side of the aisle feel the same way, and I'd like to try and figure out why.

    I'm away for the evening, but I should have some time tomorrow morning to revisit this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So, a recap:

    Flaneur: "I'm sure you can give me one example of this happening. An apology from someone on the right where they did wrong, admitted it, apologized, changed their behaviour and the left completely ignored it and labelled them whatever offence they committed."

    You: J K Rowling

    Me: Did she?

    You: Thank God she didn't.

    ---

    Can't help but think you didn't read the assignment.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've already said that the far-left are not interested in forgiveness.

    They try to cancel and censor people, destroying their reputation, on the back of non-existent social crimes.

    They are the last ones to speak about forgiveness.

    I'm under no obligations to answer any question, at any time. I'm not on trial here. I will calibrate my response in my own way, in my own time.

    Indeed, I have already done so.

    Pointing, no less, to the fact that the far-left are uninterested in forgiveness as they seek to cancel and destroy as many people as possible who have the temerity to, guess what, have a different opinion to them.

    That's enough to have a reputation and career destroyed. A different opinion. And they, at the same time, want to occupy the moral high ground about forgiveness!? Don't make me laugh.

    How's that for #BeKind, by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I see you edited your post. No worries about that so. But just in case, here's a photo of your post in question. You can plainly see the order of events here.

    Screenshot_2023-05-20-20-44-22-232_com.android.chrome.jpg

    All I care about is forgiveness. Because that means someone's ideals have moved to align with mine and we can move on.

    Much the same way if I was mad enough to change my mind and say Brexit was a great idea, I'd be welcomed with open arms in some circles as our ideas are now aligned. You have to realize what you're wrong about to ask for forgiveness and thats a huge step.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm still waiting to hear what JK Rowling said was wrong?

    The far-left mauled her then, and continue to maul her today.

    By the way, here's what their version of forgiveness to JK Rowling looks like (one of hundreds of possible slides from far-left activists):

    image_2023-05-20_205726252.png

    So when you talk about the far-left having the biggest hearts and open to forgiveness and so on, perhaps you should consider that not everyone is willing to #BeKind about their political opponents.

    In the real world, we are talking about truly awful people. Just take a look at that mosaic of abuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    @[Deleted User] I'm under no obligations to answer any question, at any time. I'm not on trial here. I will calibrate my response in my own way, in my own time.

    Indeed, I have already done so.



    Schrodinger's poster: you answered, didn't answer and don't have to answer all at the same time.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,943 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Ah sure the Lads won't have any come back on that will just try and deflect as usual. JK was the darling of the left until she took a stand for biological woman and then she gets doxxed threatened with death rape as per your screen grab above. Same happened with Graham Lenihen was a darling of the left would have aligned with many on here on his views on Trump but once he went against the Trans narrative then the trans activists destroyed his life. There is no middle ground with the fat left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    She was never darling of the left - have ypu read the books? That sorting hat is the most prejudiced thing ever to be put on someone's head!

    The whole 'boarding school' setting complete with houses is a particularly Conservative setting. Try thinking of it like Blackrock college, bit with Quidditch instead of rugby.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Disturbing how you don't have a word to say about the death threats she consistently receives from far-left activists.

    Instead, you spend time merely complaining that people haven't "read her books" to see how bad they may be.

    The juxtaposition of those two sentences says quite a lot, even if unintentionally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    First sentence agrees with me.

    Second sentence is a false accusation (I've only read two of them myself, and it was at least 10 years ago!! Stop making **** up: I WILL notice, you know?!)

    Third sentence is flawed because of the inaccuracy in the second sentence (what makes you think I'm not going to call you out on this??)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The point I'm making is that when the lunatic far-right make death threats and threaten others, you - others, and me included - condemn it. Yet when JKR receives death threats, it's considered "casual" and borderline acceptable by far-left activists; a kind of "Well, yeah, they shouldn't really say it but their heart is in the right place".

    That's the difference.

    Far-left extremists tentatively accept extremism when it supports their perspective.

    I strongly suggest we condemn both far-left and far-right extremism, equally.

    Who could possibly be against that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    You only brought up Rowling in response to Flaneur and had to back down quickly - again - when it was pointed out to you that it didn't answer his question. You then had to back down for a second time in one night when you were caught making false accusatons about me and the books.

    You seem to have a complete hard-on for Rowling, if you'll forgive the imagery - you'll shoehorn her into any discussion.

    Again - what makes you think I'm not going to notice?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    JK doesn't think what she said was wrong. Why would you forgive someone for something they haven't asked forgiveness for?

    That's the whole point to this debate.

    Point me to someone on the right side of the aisle who

    Has recognized an error in judgement.

    Has then apologized for said error in judgement.

    Made amends about said error in judgement.

    Not repeated the error in judgement

    The left continued to villify for their initial error in Judgement.

    JK Rowling has NOT

    Recognized an error in judgement (she still contests that she is not anti-trans)

    Ever apologized for hurting so many trans individuals

    Ever made amends (in fact, she went after Mermaids, the organisation that supports trans teens)

    So no, she does not fit the bill.


    I am believing that your fear of left wing people villifying the right for original mistakes and not letting them go, is just paranoid right wing fantasy, unless you can show me an instance that fits the bill. Could be racism, sexism, islamophobia, homophobia, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    The cheek in saying we'll deflect when all I have been after for the last 12 hours or so is an instance of someone from the right hand side of the aisle who

    • Has recognized an error in judgement.
    • Has then apologized unreservedly for said error in judgement.
    • Made amends about said error in judgement.
    • Not repeated the error in judgement
    • The left continued to villify for their initial error in Judgement.

    And nothing but deflection and a refusal to answer from the three of you.


    Surely right wingers believe primarily in law and order. I can't see how none of you can't name a single right wing aligned person that fits my bill.

    What about we remove the last step? Can you name a right wingers that realized they made an error in judgement, apologized unreservedly, made amends and didn't repeat the error again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Who are you talking about, provide some names who should be doing the things you listed above?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I also just want to go on record as saying I find it infuriating that you yourself will not apologise for making errors in judgement such as when you said,

    And in your case, looking them up to find out if you agree with everything they've said in the past, and deciding not to watch a video because you do not. You've already declared her persona non grata without even hearing a word she has to say on current far-left politics.

    I pointed out that that was completely untrue and made up ("I was in a public place and I didn't have headphones. Literally not in a position to watch a video, but you go out of your way to accuse me of something else.") and instead of just apologising to me so we can move on, which would be the decent thing to do, you ignored the post and gave it no regard. How very... hmmm... "on brand".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You've lost me now.

    To recap:

    It started here: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619602/#Comment_120619602

    Just wondering when was the last time someone on the right held their hands up and admitted they got somethings wrong and apologized for anything?

    Which @[Deleted User] replied to here: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619631/#Comment_120619631

    They wouldn't get a chance in sideways.

    They'd be cancelled, labelled "racist" for life, and looked down upon as "hateful" pariahs of society.

    (That was 12.20 pm yesterday btw)

    Which led to my request: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619704/#Comment_120619704

    I'm sure you can give me one example of this happening. An apology from someone on the right where they did wrong, admitted it, apologized, changed their behaviour and the left completely ignored it and labelled them whatever offence they committed.

    Or, we could call what you posted a right wing paranoid fantasy.

    Since then not you, SP or rapidash have been unable to name someone from the right hand side of the aisle that fits the bill of:

    • Has recognized an error in judgement.
    • Has then apologized unreservedly for said error in judgement.
    • Made amends about said error in judgement.
    • Not repeated the error in judgement
    • The left continued to villify for their initial error in Judgement.

    @[Deleted User] brought up JK Rowling, but she doesn't tick the first 3 boxes as she doesn't think she's done anything wrong.

    You brought up Sean Penn as some form of deflection, but as he is not right wing, doesn't fit the bill either.


    So I have to believe that it's just a right wing fantasy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hey let's make one thing clear: nobody gets to frame the debate in any way they choose.

    Off the back of your personal opinion, you expressed the extreme and bizarre position that everyone on the left are lovely people, who express contrition at a moment's notice; and the political right are a bunch of nasty people who never express contrition.

    You've come to me with that ridiculous, invented opinion and then demand that I disprove it?

    Are you serious!?

    There's no way I'm even engaging with an opinion that begins by smearing everyone on the right in such a biased and demeaning manner. That is not arguing in good faith and I'm under no obligation to disprove anyone's bizarre opinions, let's make that perfectly clear.

    Second to that, that extreme personal opinion - just invented out of thin air - backs up the premise in the title of this thread; namely, the problem is extreme positions from the far-left, and they never take no for an answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    You'll have to jog my memory and give me some names cos I can't think of anyone who should be apologising for the things you think they should be apologising for 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Sounds like right wing fantasy to me so.

    But seriously,

    "Hey let's make one thing clear: nobody gets to frame the debate in any way they choose."

    What are you on about, of course I can. I proposed we discuss this, you can choose to participate or don't, I'm easy either way. But you can't seriously accuse me of deflection and then say I can't frame the debate. That's madness. I want to talk to you three. I want to discuss why it appears (to me) that people on the right don't allow for growth through redemption and asking for forgiveness?

    Why is it that refusing to apologise appears to be a sign of strength on the right side. Yet on the left, apologising is seen as a sign of growth and maturity. You can't not be interested by that massive gulf in difference of opinion? This isn't even on most political radars as it's not policy oriented, it's just something I noticed.

    I find it sad that we can't even talk across the aisle, here on boards, and regard each other politely and with good manners and grace. (Not apologising to me is not good manners btw)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I want to discuss why it appears (to me) that people on the right don't allow for growth through redemption and asking for forgiveness?

    Sorry, but this reminds me of the kind of thing you hear from preachers on O'Connell Street.

    For me at least, this is unproductive nonsense masquerading as productive conversation. It's irrelevant, invented moonshine.

    I'm interested in the threats from the far-left. I'm going to keep my focus there, not on pseudo-religious questions of right-wing redemption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Well, that kind of proves another point. You can't find fault in anything anyone from your side of the aisle has done. That's very dangerous. People are at fault all the time. Indeed there's a huge list somewhere of republican party members who've been jailed for everything from paedophilia to money laundering.

    Do you think anyone you follow has never erred in their life? Never said something racist, or sexist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You can completely bow out of this debate, that's your right, and to be honest I don't blame you.

    I was pointing out that one of your so called threats from the far-left, that no one on the right can apologise as:

    They wouldn't get a chance in sideways.

    They'd be cancelled, labelled "racist" for life, and looked down upon as "hateful" pariahs of society.

    Is absolute utter hokum, a completely made up right wing paranoid fantasy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    You're going to have to provide some names to help me understand who your talking about. I'm not a mind reader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Well, no. I don't 😂

    This all started out with Snake Plisken saying

    I'm sure you are happy to stand by the racist

    Which led me to post Trudeaus apology where he recognised his error in judgement, and apologised and made amends by apologising unreservedly.

    Which led to my thought,

    Just wondering when was the last time someone on the right held their hands up and admitted they got somethings wrong and apologized for anything?

    And then rapidash said they couldn't

    They wouldn't get a chance in sideways.

    They'd be cancelled, labelled "racist" for life, and looked down upon as "hateful" pariahs of society.

    And since then, I've been asking the three of you (as you all joined in) to prove it. Give me an example. So no, it's not up to me to provide some names to prove rapidash's point, who has now bowed out of the debate, as is their right.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Meanwhile far-left activists are threatening physical violence against Billboard Chris.

    Yet again the party of permanent compassion and tolerance express their true voice when confronted with opinions they happen to disagree with.

    Threats of violence are not exclusive to JK Rowling. Anyone can be subject to these threats from the far-left, even if all they do is hold up a billboard with an opinion they dislike. That's enough to cause threats - an opinion.

    Insecurity, coupled to a lack of confidence in the validity of their own views fuels the lot, in my opinion.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yet again the party of permanent compassion and tolerance express their true voice when confronted with opinions they happen to disagree with.

    Which party is this?

    Looking into it, it seem this "Simon Fitz" is a member of Sinn Fein. Are they renowned as a "party of permanent compassion and tolerance"? 😂 I think you may have made that up too.

    I don't know what a "Billboard Chris" is. I suppose he's some sort of anti-trans activist?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whataboutery, and a lack of condemnation for the threats of violence from far-left activists - again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    And made up nonsense, again.

    Calling Sinn Fein, "a party of permanent compassion and tolerance" 😂

    Who is Simon Fitz?



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