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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Hahahaa, I think they could ''steal'' a better version or just let Tesla keep using it, feck me, I would prefer helen keller to drive the car than use that software.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Screenshot_20230504-133033.png

    Anyone know this site? Looks like Army or Gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Don't know what site it is, but if they're not careful they'll install the biggest charging hub in Ireland!!



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Now, thats how you do it. looks like 10 points, 20 cars?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Reminds me a bit of the Garda HQ in phoenix park? 🤔

    Notice that half the spaces are bigger, possibly for electric vans or trucks

    EDIT: I'm wrong, the spaces in the background are set back further, that's why they looked shorter

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I know of one business that has installed 36 AC chargers free for employees to use. Chargers are consistently busy with lots of EVs charging

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    I think you're right. Looks like Phoenix park alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭wassie


    Fairly common in new commercial & industrial developments to have charging infrastructure in the ground covering a majority of car bays for staff, so that chargering posts can be readily installed when the demand is needed.

    Not that expensive, relative to the total cost of the project, to have ducts and cables laying in ready before the hardtop is laid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    They really need to stop letting the Opel engineers do the fire safety testing

    To be fair, it doesn't say if any of them have actually caught fire, just that a risk was identified

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting bit at the bottom, apparently the average EV driver spends €1,131.04 per year on electricity

    I feel like there's some poor methodology behind that. Taking the cheapest night rate of 19.3c/kWh and a fairly pessimistic consumption of 20kWh/100km that works out to 5860kWh or around 29,000km of driving

    Compare that to the average annual mileage of 17,000km

    So to me that leads to one of several conclusions:

    EVs are preferred by high mileage drivers, which pretty much smashes the range anxiety argument

    AA didn't look up electricity rates and assume everyone is charging at the 24 rate

    AA are assuming a significant amount of public charging is used at the basic rate and not a subscription rate

    In any case, I think it's more anti EV garbage

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Found the source article which has some information RTE somehow missed

    However, those taking advantage of Smart Meters and cheap night rates pay as little as €421.43 to cover the same 17,000km distance. Those charging exclusively on public chargers could pay up to €2,150.27 annually.

    Still somewhat questionable methodology I think but at least there's evidence of some actual research

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    And those who locked in a 8 c rate.. and average 17kwh/100km (ours is less) costs 231 /yr

    For the first 2 years we didn't public charge, this year was a bit different we had a few runs to Dublin.

    From the north west, to dundrum via belfast and still had 10% left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ah yeah, that was the dream, long gone now 😭

    Using the cheapest D/N rate from Flogas at the moment I'd probably be looking at €623 per year (if I hadn't gotten solar)

    Much more than the old EV plan but still much less than the €1100 claimed by AA as the average

    Or the €1,250-1,300 a diesel car would get

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    I was asked for help by an American in a rental Volvo trying to use a Type 2 station at a shopping centre. He couldn’t figure out how he was supposed to connect the car. Turns out he wasn’t provided with a cable. That was pretty bad from the rental place. There was other stuff, like the crap emergency kit you get instead of a spare wheel these days. But an empty space where the cable probably should be. At least it was a PHEV, so he wouldn’t be getting stuck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    A PHEV without a charging cable,what's the point.

    Probably cost the company more to buy. Is it just greenwashing to pretend their fleet is cleaner?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I rented a phev recently and it came with a type 2 cable. I think there are two sources for these as rentals, one the company doing some greenwashing and two there often isnt a comparable non plug in hybrid. EG kia niro, you can only get EV or PHEV now. Same was true on Ioniq for ages too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,433 ✭✭✭markpb


    There’s always the possibility that it came with a cable and it was lost by a previous renter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    FYP 😁There’s always the possibility that it came with a cable and it was lost sold on adverts.ie by a previous renter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Gotta save as much money on the holiday as possible 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Or just taken by the renter….

    you’d assume the vast majority of people renting PHEV’s & EV’s are doing so because they themselves own a plug in back home…. And who knows, probably saw a brand new type 2 cable in the boot still in its wrapper and said ‘having that’…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭creedp


    That being so there's always the possibility that the previous renter was charged for loss/theft of said cable by rental company who then couldn't be bothered replacing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭creedp


    Need to be careful here as might just be tarring all EV drivers with a tight arse or worse a criminal brush



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    It’s another item that you obviously now need to check when collecting such a hire car. If you only have access to public charging, it would be as cheap to buy fuel instead and more convenient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Plenty of green washing going on.

    I know somebody driving a company PHEV and never plugs in. It's all about optics.

    That said, I hate these vehicles with "zero emissions" branded on them. Post office vans, buses etc.

    It should say "zero emissions while in use, but the electricity comes from somewhere else and all the materials are mined out of the ground as well"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


     I hate these vehicles with "zero emissions" branded on them

    In fairness though Nissan set that particular tone when they released the Leaf with it's Zero Emission badge on it... And you'd hope that most of those vans are charged at night when the renewables in the mix is at its highest percentage throughout the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭September1


    I think very few people think that "Zero emissions" on EVs means absolutely zero emissions whatsoever. Do they also complain that CO2 numbers on petrol vehicles cars do not include emissions required to manufacture spark plugs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    I hate the ones with huge EV printed on the side of them, while in reality it's a petrol or diesel doing all the work. It's greenwashing or trying to mislead folks into thinking they made a good choice.

    A friend of mine has a tank of a Mazda with a petrol engine that can charge the battery if he doesn't plug it in, it has an 18kw battery and he likes to call it an EV. It's a nice car but it's not an EV, I think some sales lad mislead him when buying it but that's another story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I assume that's a MX30 with the Range Extender?

    It's proper designation is a Range Extended EV, so technically he isn't wrong about it, although I agree it's stretching the term EV to its limits

    I'd actually rank a range extender above most PHEVs. They generally have bigger batteries, smaller engines and DC charging. So you're pretty much forced to use it as an EV even with the ranger extender, otherwise you'll be refueling as often as you're charging

    Much better than the army of PHEV owners I see who never bother to plug in

    To be clear, I don't think they're suitable as passenger cars (unless they're really cheap) and would be suited more to applications like emergency or off-road vehicles

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    I think it was the CX60 he ended up with. Tried to explain to me that its like having an EV that you never have to charge..........

    As far as I can see its eating petrol and while he does charge it at work for free, its so short ranged on EV mode, (circa 30km) that the novelty of that is wearing off for him.

    Sounded alot like Toyota meme advertising.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ah yeah that's just another PHEV

    Didn't even know Mazda had made one

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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