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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Agree totally with you on the clubs stopping their arrangments with bookies the thing is though players having gambling problems is nothing new. It was happening long before bookies started sponsoring clubs. Too much money at a young age, too much time on their hands and you can put bets on any event/match/eurovision/general election etc in seconds with the app. What could possibly go wrong? Every player getting their 1st professional contract should be made to read Paul Mersons book before they sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,328 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The study done recently into the horse racing levy put football at 50% of all bets now iirc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,033 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    This will remove any lingering doubt that this city team, corrupt finances aside, are the best of the PL era.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,033 ✭✭✭✭noodler




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,328 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What's tonight got to do with the English Premier League ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I'm no city fan but the only charges against are from the premier league. The game tonight is a UEFA competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,033 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    There's been significant discussion in recent years about the best team of the PL era.

    Sky did good little piece on it with Carr's and Neville a few years ago because of where Liverpool and city were at the time.

    A big part of it, for Neville, and some utd fans, was that you couldn't be the best team without a CL win.

    They are already the best for me but this will just rubber stamps it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,033 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Sour grapes from Neville. Soon it'll be that you can't be the strongest team if you don't have a player commenting on the Sky sports panel. If you are going to pick holes in this City team, then it has to be in relation to the ridiculous levels of financial doping they've been accused of.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭pavb2


    Luton or Coventry in the PL next year, a great achievement for one of them.

    i think the commentator said Cov had spent 17 days in the play off positions which was less than Reading who were relegated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,328 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is it Luton have the ground famous for a turnstile built into the side of someone's house ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭Talisman


    The away end at Kenilworth Road, it has to be seen to be believed. The entrance is a tunnel through what was the ground floor of a terraced house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,477 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Scuppered any possibility of moving to a bigger club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    For this summer for sure - could still see him making a move as soon as January, or next summer though.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭doc_17


    This City* side are the product of years of investment by Abu Dhabi. The true nature of that investment will probably never be known. Everything they have done is most likely going to be tainted by the investigations into them. What Utd did, what Liverpool did, those achievements will always be greater than what City* have done or ever do.

    The Premier League is dead as an entity. 5 out of 6 wins for City* The gulf between top and bottom widening. 100+ allegations against City* and if they are found guilty then it just means the 6 years were a con.

    The only true deterrent to stop what City* have done is to punish it appropriately, strip them of titles won if they are found to have won them through financial doping. And relegation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Nothing in football administration history suggests that City will ever face any consequences for their actions.

    They should be stripped of their titles, relegated for as many years as they spent engaged in financial doping, forced down to very bottom level of football.

    It's cathartic to think about those type of outcomes but the Premier League don't have the balls to make them happen.

    With that in mind it's hard to see beyond City for the league title for the next few seasons not to mention the cups and European success that's bound to come as well.

    Could be a treble every year until Newcastle are able to compete with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Stripping titles is the only appropriate punishment if the PL genuinely wants to deter Newcastle and potentially Uniteds owners doing the same. They are buying prestige in the form of titles through systemic cheating, whether it be though inflated sponsorship deals, under the table payments or just making up betting/crypto sponsors.

    A fine would be pathetic, points deductions won’t make the slightest bit of difference and even relegation would be an inconvenience, they’d be straight back to challenging the following year.

    For every year they’ve been guilty of cheating should be a year they have a title chalked off. It’s a complete slap in the face to other teams who worked incredibly hard to put a title charge together to be denied by rampant financial bullies.

    If the PL don’t deal with this in the correct way it will have huge ramifications not only for the PL but for football globally. Anything that Abu Dhabi can consider the cost of doing business means any state owned team can spend as much as they like without having to worry about punishment, which will ultimately break the football economy having a handful of teams generating money in a way it’s simply not possible for other teams to replicate, all while setting the prices for players to a ludicrous degree and making everything more expensive for everyone else.

    It really cannot be overstated how much of a scourge state owned clubs are on the football landscape.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭doc_17


    What City* are doing is taking the joy out of football. No league race most seasons, they make PL matches unwatchable due to their dominance and now it’s spilt over to the CL.

    It’s hard to think how the other PL owners will accept this. They’ll either get out or maybe look at the Super League again.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Nothing in football administration history suggests that City will ever face any consequences for their actions.

    Italy and France say different. AC Milan relegated in the 80s. Juventus stripped of titles and relegated in 2006 and they and 4 other clubs deducted points from the following season. And multiple people given bans from all football activity. Juventus are currently under a suspended 15 points deduction and multiple people have again been banned from all football activity.

    Milan and Lazio were relegated in the 80 and other clubs got docked points.

    Marseille were relegated and stripped of the French title in 1993.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    The fear would be more could Abu Dhabi put pressure on the UK government to not let it get to that level. It just takes a few people of power to get on the phone and get things swept under the carpet.

    Let the PL save face by getting their punishment on City. City responds with some PR shite like "We don't agree with the charges but we will fight on". All while the punishment dished out massively under sells the crime.

    I'd be absolutely shocked if the City punishment is anything more than a fine and maybe a points reduction. But it will be like 15 odd points and they'll still make top4 kind of thing.

    In a world where Toney is getting 8 month bans for football bets while he was in the lower leagues the only logical answer would be to see City get the book thrown at them. Reality will most likely be very different.

    It will be plain as day where football's priorities lie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I think the Italian FA v Italian clubs is more of an equal fight though.

    EPL and FA are clearly big institutions, but they are a tiny speck compared to the power behind the oil clubs. It'd be John Grisham or Erin Brokovich stuff trying to take them on. It could be done, but prepare for a lot of expense and hassle and the odd dead body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭McFly85


    If Abu Dhabi force government intervention to lessen their punishment and succeed, then really it’s the end of the PL as any sort of legitimate sporting competition.

    I would fully expect the super league discussion to start up again pretty soon after that. Why should clubs hang about competitions that they can’t compete in, and where state owned clubs can successfully cry to the government to avoid punishment? Especially when there’s another league they can go and compete in.

    The scale of the charges the PL laid against City really meant there are only 2 outcomes. They either seriously punish City or end up destroying the leagues credibility. Doesn’t feel like there’s any in-between.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    The scale of the charges the PL laid against City really meant there are only 2 outcomes. They either seriously punish City or end up destroying the leagues credibility. Doesn’t feel like there’s any in-between.

    Agree with the above section 100%. Uefa tried to bring City's cheating to the fore but got snookered by red tape. The PL have no such hindrances. They want the league to be viewed as the best and most competitive in the world. When City can funnel hundreds of millions of pounds in and out of the club as they see fit and gain a completely lopsided advantage as a result, any notion of a level playing field fails under the most rudimentary levels of scrutiny. I genuinely believe the PL feel they have a slam dunk otherwise they would not have brought the charges against them. There is too much at stake, financially and reputationally for them to half arse it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    None of those clubs had or have the financial backing City have.

    PSG are operating in a similar manner to City and have been for over a decade and there's no sign of the French football authorities doing a thing to them.

    We've crossed into a different paradigm with these big gulf state owners, they're accountable to nobody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭jacool


    The EPL is so far ahead of the rest that you can see the quality of players arriving at "mid-table" clubs has vastly improved.

    Man City* are so far ahead of the EPL that they* sell their off casts to Arsenal, 2nd in the EPL, as nobody in Europe can compete.

    If the charges aren't enforced we could be looking at 5,6,7 or more in a row, and as I said before, trying to imagine the EPL without Klopp. Take Liverpool out of the tables and you are left with Man City* winning by 19, 16, 15, 12, 19 and whatever they* do this season. This would be No.6 in a row already.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    What’s the thing with the [*]? I feel like I’m missing out on something secret.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,328 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Never happened in English football administration history.

    I know it was match fixing and not financial stuff but Juve got titles stripped and the Scottish done Rangers a lot harder than anyone expected for financial stuff.

    Speaking of Juve if they win the Europa league that will be the 2 big European trophies in the hands of clubs under financial investigations (assuming City also win)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Rangers didn't have a single title taken away from them or points deduction. They were only relegated because their holding company went bust and they were then considered a new club.

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