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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    They should move the Patriots a few tens of meters every time there is a missile attack.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Disband NATO and CSTO would solve a lot of problems. Perhaps.

    I dunno though, just stopping the shooting first will sober people up from the red mist. Work it out from there.

    Don't have any answers as I don't have faith in the info or history we get, but the killing continuing to either a total push back/collapse of Russian forces or complete subjigation of Ukrainian military seem pretty unlikely to me as the reprecussions are potentially catastrophic and would likely escalate the conflict from a localized affair to a regional or even global one.

    The idea that Russia will pull out on it's own accord I also think is hopium nonsense, infantile really, without security guarantees is pretty wild because Ukraine likely to go straight into NATO and get fully armed up with equipment that threatens Moscow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,046 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Disband NATO?

    SO without NATO, what is stopping Russia from taking back the Baltic States and trying to dominate Ukraine again? How would disbanding the CSTO prevent that?

    Absolute nonsense.

    Ukraine already signed a treaty with Russia, giving up strategic offensive weapons, in return for Russian security guarantees. Russia violated that treaty repeatedly.

    The NATO-Russia Founding Act sets out what weapons systems could be deployed to a Ukraine in NATO, and nope, they wouldn't get fully armed up with NATO equipment that threatens Moscow.

    You don't have any answers and are clueless about actual treaties between Ukraine, Russia and NATO. That is obvious.

    Did stopping the shooting sober Russia up in Chechnya? Nope. They just returned re-armed and flattened cities.

    So you work it out from there what's likely to happen with Russia and Ukraine based on Russia's past actions with such treaties, because that is the reality not some fantasy in your head about red mists.

    Yeah you don't have faith in the history you get yet seem to accept Russia's propaganda version of why they are in Ukraine.

    A morally and intellectually bankrupt position.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I never called you that (maybe others did), IMO you're likely one of the other kinds of Ukraine war contrarian odd ducks that are about the place (edit: and not a "peacenik" if finding videos of stuff being blown up in Ukraine by the Russian military + posting it)! We'd all like it to "end" soon I hope, Russia seems to be (very) keen on carrying on for now and they keep escalating rather than backing off.

    That attack last night was example, where if reports on it are correct they are pulling out more of their "best" weapons in effort to try and breach Ukraine's air defences.

    Waging a war the fairly brutal way Russia has of going about it + that strategy of constant escalation when balked (as they have been in Ukraine), well that generally makes it harder & harder for people to stop fighting & then come to agreement. Levels of hate + fear + mistrust of Russia stirred up in Ukraine must be intense by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    From the previous videos we can see what air defense missile launches look like from each perspective. Missile are easily visible in flight immediately after launch.

    Those 2 blasts have none of these factors immediately afterwards. Not to mention the shockwaves from the closer of the 2 videos.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Both sides nonsense again.

    This isn't a territorial dispute and it's very clear from your posts you don't grasp that. Putin is invading Ukraine. He didn't stop when he took Crimea. He didn't stop when his forces proxy invaded a significant portion of Eastern Ukraine. Rewarding him with land doesn't stop him.

    The Ukrainians are fighting and depleting Russia's ability to invade them. That is what's stopping Putin from invading. At some point there may indeed be negotiations but it will be on the Ukrainian terms as it is their land and their lives.

    More Putin talking points. NATO is the only thing keeping many countries safe from a highly aggressive expansionist Russia under Putin. If Ukraine was in NATO it's unlikely Putin would be invading it.

    No one is threatening Moscow. No country wants to invade Russia. No nation on this earth wants to attack that nuclear-armed dictatorship.

    However NATO is a threat to Moscow's plans to invade other countries. So they create this Hitler-esque propaganda that they are being threatened by a defensive alliance. Which you swallow and happily regurgitate here along with the rest of your Putin apologism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    All this is is a cry for more war. Disband NATO and suddenly you have a lot more of Eastern Europe as a target for Russian aggression, Putin didn't target a NATO country and indeed has massively increased its border with NATO given it forced Finland into the alliance.


    Complete destruction of the Ukranian military wouldn't stop the violence. It would just move it to Georgia. The only way this ends is when Russia is defeated, that is the only avenue that does not lead to another war in a few months time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭Homelander


    How could anyone have the audacity to write that, and write that with a straight face - NATO should be disbanded to appease Putin and reward him for his colossal blunder of an illegal and incredibly barbaric invasion of a sovereign country, that's also wrecking his army and economy.

    Absolutely comical. Not even Putin himself would be so deluded to come up with even the whiff of such an absurd proposal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You can't negotiate with a vicious dictatorial regime bent on empire building - Chamberlain found that out long ago among many others. The collective west has realised this and is assisting Ukraine to draw a very strong line in the sand. Russia needs to be driven out of Ukraine, massive reparations paid, Ukrainian citizens repatriated and the Russian leadership jailed or executed. The sooner Russia sues for peace the better for all.

    You're right about one thing - this war is existential for future European peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Sigma101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Lol disband NATO!

    Has even Putin himself said this? That's a new one I haven't heard yet. It's hard to imagine it but if the Baltic states hadn't been in NATO they almost certainly wouldn't exist today.

    As terribly managed as Putins invasion has been they've still taken an area of land equivalent to Lithuania, that's just how large Ukraine is. If Putin had attacked Lithuania it'd be gone right now. Of course though he wouldn't do that because he knows right well that NATO could demilitarize Russia in a Bank holiday weekend.

    It's just a shame that even some of the most prominent western officials are still to get on board with a hard no negotiation tactic until Russia is out of Ukraine. I roll my eyes when Sky news pundits like Sean Bell or others talk about negotiation. Care to finish that sentence there lads? Negotiate with whom? You don't negotiate with criminal slimebags. What good would a negotiation be? How could we trust the bag of lies masquerading as a government that is the Kremlin. Sorry but no. They must be put back in their box and told how things are gonna be. Call me an absolutist but I really don't see a workable alternative. I'm all ears for one though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    More those drones being sent by the UK


    "The UK will send Ukraine hundreds of suicide drones it has had custom-built to support Kyiv on the battlefield.

    The announcement came as Volodymyr Zelensky met with Rishi Sunak at Chequers to discuss what further support the UK could provide.

    The kamikaze drones have a range of more than 125 miles – more than twice as far as the highly successfully Himars – and complement the long-range Storm Shadow missiles the UK donated to Ukraine last week.

    Last Saturday, Ukraine fired the cruise missiles for the first time, hitting a Russian supply depot and a military command centre 80 miles behind the front line."

    "Defence sources conceded to the Telegraph that the drones were “one-way”, adding that they had a “primary goal to carry munitions”. 

    “They’ve been rapidly developed and adapted at significantly lower costs than others,” they said, adding that “they have a comparable effect to an artillery shell”.

    The source said that the secrecy was because of commercial confidence as the drones were still going through the later stages of procurement, before adding: “They will be delivered in the coming months.”

    From the Telegraph



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Zero bearing on limited Air defense missles.

    They still don't have the 1 million artillery shells promised months ago,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    He doesn't have answers, translation: its not on his script.

    Hes obvious troll, we should ignore his nonsense, but i get it, its easy to lose sh!t reading his cr@p



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Oh, but that's where you are wrong!! Where else is he going to get the cannon fodder from??? Our Vladimir and his Oligarchs and Silovicki have problem's too, I'll have you know!! Its not all plain sailing as some people seem to think, persuading people ( even Serf's) to die for you, and its getting harder and harder. I am at a loss to know what we will do if it continues like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That would solve a lot of problems like licking a live wire would solve a lot of problems. What?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As Golda Meir said ( and she was 100% right) "you cannot make deals with people whom have come to kill you". And that's a perfect description of Putin and his "Negotiators". When your foot is on the head of this particular snake, and it's crushed, then you can make a deal, but not before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bakhmut some gains by the Ukrainans near bakhmut and some gains inside bakhmut by the Russians




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    to be expected, frankly.

    This isn't palestine firing backyard rockets, though thats from what the Patriot system derives its impeccable record. Eventually they were going to be shot at by something a fair bit more sophisticated, and anti-radiation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It must be absolutely humiliating for Russian tech and military leaders that their vaunted hypersonic weapons have been proven to be wunderwaffe. Still deadly, but not invincible.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Either radar or ECS component of the "battery" destroyed last night. Radar most likely as it reveals itself during targeting.

    Ukraine still have at least 1 more functional patriot battery though?

    You mean proven *not* to be wunderwaffen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That word triggers some ......


    But totally they are still dangerous despite what a minority seem to think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Listen to this translation of Zelensky

    Almost sounds like a pisstake.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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