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Currently buying/selling a house? How is it going? READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Currently selling our home, bids went flying in Wednesday to now €8.5k over asking. My EA came back to us last night saying both parties want an answer asap. Only after 2 days!

    we’ve more viewings in line as well. It seemed very quick to be pushing. But if I bid today Friday I’d want answer within a week definitely but not two days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    I think the best strategy is to continue your search. Particularly, view another house that the same auctioneer is the agent, if possible.


    This way, you're sending a message to the seller that you (their highest bidder) is actively looking at other properties and the vendors would want to make up their minds very quickly for fear you'll find some place better.


    This way you are gently letting the seller know that you aren't going to be easily manipulated and you are not going to wait around for ever. They will either have to accept your offer or male a counter-offer if they are serious. If they are not serious about selling to you, obviously they'll do nothing, in which case you'll have your answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I'd certainly be waiting - neither of them look like very dependable buyers to me if I was in that situation? I'm sure the EA can give more of a back story why they are asking for a two day response time but if other viewings are lined up then.... EA just wants to close



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Got it sorted yesterday. One couple are willing to wait, and are that their max amount so I’ve them as preferred bidder with EA. Two more viewings today, and that seems to be that atm. Hopefully I hear good News Monday/Tuesday about our AIP and we can move on then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭J_1980


    I’m looking to upgrade from an apartment to a house in dublin2/4.

    sale agreed on both last week. Valuations/survey next week will decide the outcome as buyer of my place is cash. Not really depending on my purchase valuation as <50% ltv. Hope to complete all by end of July.


    does anyone ever have second thoughts about upgrading? My current place is not very big and doesn’t really suit for renting out if I move abroad temporarily (which I’m going to do in next few years). But it’s so insanely nice location.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    question. I haven’t asked the bank yet but someone might know here.

    say there’s a house we love but it’s in need of renovation but living in it now would be fine just very outdated etc. house after deposit is €216000 but we qualify for a max mortgage of €312k would a bank lend you the max so that you could renovate your home?

    Especially when they see you’re able to pay max after offering it. I’d assume you’d need to show coatings and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Should be no problem - just need to update them on that is what you are doing. Going to be biggish renovations with 96k? Was thinking of doing something similar last year when we bought a place but we decided it was better wait a few years to do renovation when children are older and then release some equity to do a refurb and energy upgrades; will have more time to do it. Will work out a bit cheaper in the long run + have more freedom/flexibility with lower repayments. It is amazing what a lick of paint can do to a place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    we’ll see how our bid goes, I think it probably would need €96k it’s a house built in the early 80’s I think, also I’m not 100% sure but could be vacant for more then 2 years which would help with the renovation grant the government have. It has a D2 energy rating so would want to retrofit it as well(grants for this too) it’s a project my wife and I would love to take on. Let’s hope we can get it first..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    You say qualify for a max mortgage of €312k  - do you have a AIP for that? We had AIP for a mortgage where we had said to the bank for that AIP that we were thinking of using 1/3 of the amount for renovations as we were looking in mature areas of the City for a house (houses built in 70's/80's) - we drawn down 90k less than the AIP amount in the end. Ended up 1970 house, dated interior but owners had done heating & insulation upgrade about 10yrs ago and BER was C1 so we reckoned house would be ok and it was during the winter.

    Best of luck, sounds like it is a good time for you to do such a project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Yeah now the AIP I’m 99% we have, but also have doubt of course. But yeah should have max €312k it would be excellent if they did give the €96k that would go most of the way to doing the job. We should have around €60k equity from the sale of our house left after costs and so on, as a contingency then…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    In my humble opinion, bank will only give you 90% of the price of the house you are buying, even if you are approved for more.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    Be careful too house is deemed habitable as is. If its not then bank will withhold an amount for renovation costs so wont end up lending 90% of value of house. Ive no experience of it but remember a friend buying place and bank withheld some of drawdown to reflect house is not deemed habitable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 magnolia_18


    Hi, is there any one buying an apartment with fire & safety issue? I was looking for an apartment and the management company said they are going to start the work by this summer but there’s no guarantee. They said I don’t need to pay any fix cost at the moment. When I did the viewing I saw the fire/smoke alarm installed inside the apartment but not sure what’s the exact fire & safety fault.

    There was an announcement of 2.5bn help from government but not sure if management of such property started work to fix or not.

    Any experience or info in such properties?

    Thanks in advance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,046 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If it is a structural issue mortgage lender may not advance.

    It could be that there are common area issues such as no common fire alarm and emergency lighting. As an owner occupier you would be legally ok to live there but technically would not meet landlord rental standards.

    You really need to get details of the issue.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭black & white


    There's apartments close enough to me that have reported fire safety issues;



    The last few that I saw for sale have stated that they were suitable for cash buyers only due to mortgage lenders unwilling to lend on such properties.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Mimojo


    We just bought a house in a very rural spot and knew broadband would be an issue. We had Imagine out to do a speed test, but as they are pointing to an old tower in the area, that a lot of people are on, the speeds were absolutely rubbish. We have gone with Starlink, it was here in a couple of days and finding it excellent so far, speeds just as good as fiber we had previously. We are ment to get fiber on our road later this year, but I wont be holding my breath. I WFH through VPN and haven't had any issues so far, and we have multiple devices online etc. Some of the house is a bit patchy, but afaik Google Mesh will sort that for use. The hardware was €300 which has come down a lot in the last year, and its €65 pcm so pretty much the same as most providers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭akelly02


    Anyone hear any rumblings of another rate increase , PTSB in particular?


    signed contracts last thursday , not sure how long it will take to close.


    Would hate to get stung for a rate increase when so close to the finish line .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    I'm refreshing rte.ie almost hourly. Dreading another increase, and it's been suspiciously quiet for a few weeks now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭FledNanders




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭akelly02


    nope , heard nothing .


    just assumed after the ECB announced the increase last week that the banks wont be too far behind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 anna_k


    If you already have your letter of offer (i'm assuming you do given you've signed the contracts) then you should be ok.

    The banks give some leeway for those who are well progressed towards closing and already have their loan offers. For example, when PTSB last raised rates mid March they gave those with loan offers until some time in June to drawdown as far as I know (with all documents to be in to them by a given date to allow time for drawdown). BOI were not quite as generous but did still give a few weeks to those with loan offers to draw down (they raised rates after PTSB and one needed to draw down by May 5th to avail of the older rates).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Had a phone call with EBS about the question I had here at the weekend about if we needed to renovate would they lend for that on top of what we paid. The answer was yes they do, provided you’ve proper costings from a reputable builder etc. and that you say this and provide this info before going for the loan offer, not after the fact. They release funds either in one go or in stages. And obviously their valuation will need to met as well when it comes to that.

    still one thing missing from EBS and that’s AIP!!! I think it’s a bit silly that they had one question about something 4 years Ago on our credit report which was a simple answer and we get bumped to the back of the queue.. but like our advisor said if that’s all they had to ask everything looks good…….

    had our EA onto me again today asking are we accepting the current offer of €8k over asking. I said yes we will once I have 100% proof that we can actually bid on a house! She had asked the possible buyers to be patient and they were happy to do so. But to come back when I told her it would be Wednesday Thursday before I knew is annoying considering last Thursday I told her to give 10 days at the most!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭MrsBean


    Can you ask the agent anything about the other bidder(s) or is that bad form? Essentially want to know if we are bidding against a cash bidder as I'm sure that's a David and Goliath situation so we may as well walk away. We are in a bidding war with one other buyer and running out of road financially and mentally! Plenty of bids in already, us and one other bidder left, for now.

    EA uses an online bidding platform so you see the bids landing in real time, albeit it anonymized, but the stress of it all is making me paranoid that the other bidder is a fake out!

    We've seen other Dublin properties with various EAs go from anywhere between 30k-90k over asking, it'd drive ya mad this process. Any sage advice welcome, this thread is a gold mine, a problem shared is a problem halved!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    In the same situation but a different part of the country! You can ask but no obligation for them to tell you. If they are decent I would imagine they would tell you. The vast majority I have dealt with are all reasonable, just always be mindful that they obviously work for the seller so trying to get them the best price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭akelly02


    thanks very much for that.


    looks like ill be safe enough so , looks like even if they do announce an increase , i should be drawn down before it comes into effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Agree, majority of EA don't want to be wasting your time if they know you are genuine, had two cases where auctioneers(locals) told me that we were bidding against cash buyer and that a seller was more keen on them but it can also happen that they play you.

    Had a case of that March 2022, viewed a house very close to where I lived a couple of mins walk.

    It had an asking that was close to our budget limit(we could go over asking by about 15k) and based on condition and location of house thought it would go well over that.

    Sign was up for a number of weeks, we would walk by it 2/3 a times a week. Decided to ring EA after about 8 weeks after seeing an Under Offer sign on sign outside the house . Had been bidding on a house with same Agency(has a national profile) the summer of 2021.

    Only one offer had been placed on it, that was placed about 6 weeks prior and it was 30k below. Told the EA our situation, our house we were in that was nearby was in the process of been sold, AIP letter for a mortgage that was about 50% of the asking. We decided to put in an offer that was 20k below asking. About 2 hours later get a call saying the asking price had been met by the previous bidder and that they were a cash buyer and then hinted that seller was more keen on them.

    So in my mind the EA played us in the above scenario to get 30 k more off the cash buyer. Checked property register 6 months later and that Offer of the Asking Price was the Sale price listed.

    If I had known prior that we were bidding against a cash buyer we would not have put in offer.

    Had experience in Dec 2021 of that when we were underbid in the end by a cash buyer but the local EA had always been straight up with me during the bidding whenever this Cash Buyer put in a bid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,393 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Done at long last! Got the keys, activated insurance, transferred the utilities over the last 2 days. Lovely helpful previous owner and the place is fully furnished apart from a few pieces. The relief when I got the keys was like nothing I ever experienced in my life, literal headrush and pins and needles after a year of terror.

    This place was listed for 235k a year ago in Limerick city, I got in @ 270k, dropped out @ 297k, instant depression, it came back on the market 3 months later, EA offered me a crack at it first, I forced myself to be calm and asked for another viewing and a weekend to think about it even though I was actually obsessed with the place, I said I would revert to my original offer of 270k, they accepted 2 days before Christmas Day 2022.

    All ready to move into after a deep clean, 2 extensions and an attic conversion already done, 2 living rooms, decking, conservatory, big garden in the middle of the city, I literally cannot believe it, feels like a lottery win.

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    The process aged me and left me a nervous wreck though, literally a year of terror. I get an alert for every property that comes up within 50 km of the city and there has been nothing this good in the last year, not even close, if Id lost it again I would have probably emigrated. Thanks to everybody in this thread for all the help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Congrats. Looks like a great house for that money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭FledNanders


    Anyone had a similar situation or can advise?

    We're selling our house at the moment and went sale agreed on it for X amount a few months ago. We then bid on another house based on what we were getting for our house, and went sale agreed on that.

    Our house sale then fell through. It is now sale agreed again, but for a significantly lower amount than we were sale agreed for the first time.

    Would it be usual in the circumstances to go back to the vendors for the house we're purchasing to try to negotiate a lower price? I'm conscious that they have already been good in that they were willing to wait for us after our house sale fell through the first time, so don't really want to rock the boat to an extent that they consider pulling out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    I think that would very much rock the boat.

    It's perfectly normal to renegotiate the price based on adverse findings on a survey for example, but why would they agree to renegotiate? They didn't agree to sell you their house based on you achieving a certain sales price for your own.

    I would imagine, depending on their circumstances, they will refuse to even open negotiations. (Unless they are desperate to get the sale over the line, and/or there was not a lot of interest in the house initially)



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