Russia - threadbanned users in OP

From the comments on that video:

Russian Defence Ministry

I guess they are kinda right, the Patriot missiles were destroyed 😂

But it gives the face now, they won't need to launch kinzhal missiles at Kyiv as they have already destroyed what they wanted. That will be their excuse if they don't want to risk the embarrassment of having their hypersonic missiles shot down again!

Everyone wants the war to end. How it ends is where the tankies are separated from functional adults. For me it ends when all of Ukrainian territory is free of Russian troops; those Russian troops/mercenaries and their leaders responsible for deliberately targeting civilians, for torturing and executing civilians and captured military personnel are handed over to the ICC to answer for their crimes; and Russia pays for the rebuilding of Ukrainian infrastructure as well as compensation to it's victims. How does the end of the war look like in your head?

I'm sure Putin and his inner circle of Oligarchs couldn't care less about the welfare of the serfs.

Those blasts look more like launches, than arrivals to me. But I'm not a military expert. Just my 2c

No negotiation needed, just leave.

Hopium nonsense.

Ukraine had such a treaty with security guarantees with Russia - Budapest agreement. It was Russia who repeatedly violated it and they were not deterred by promises of support from US, UK.

So what security guarantee, short of Ukraine in NATO, do you think Ukraine should find acceptable?

Because we've been here before, and it is Russia who repeatedly break these treaties and cannot be trusted to abide by any agreement.

Well, for people who do deals regularly - why would you trust a deal with people who regularly break the deals they sign with you?

Well???

They should move the Patriots a few tens of meters every time there is a missile attack.

Disband NATO?

SO without NATO, what is stopping Russia from taking back the Baltic States and trying to dominate Ukraine again? How would disbanding the CSTO prevent that?

Absolute nonsense.

Ukraine already signed a treaty with Russia, giving up strategic offensive weapons, in return for Russian security guarantees. Russia violated that treaty repeatedly.

The NATO-Russia Founding Act sets out what weapons systems could be deployed to a Ukraine in NATO, and nope, they wouldn't get fully armed up with NATO equipment that threatens Moscow.

You don't have any answers and are clueless about actual treaties between Ukraine, Russia and NATO. That is obvious.

Did stopping the shooting sober Russia up in Chechnya? Nope. They just returned re-armed and flattened cities.

So you work it out from there what's likely to happen with Russia and Ukraine based on Russia's past actions with such treaties, because that is the reality not some fantasy in your head about red mists.

Yeah you don't have faith in the history you get yet seem to accept Russia's propaganda version of why they are in Ukraine.

A morally and intellectually bankrupt position.

From the previous videos we can see what air defense missile launches look like from each perspective. Missile are easily visible in flight immediately after launch.

Those 2 blasts have none of these factors immediately afterwards. Not to mention the shockwaves from the closer of the 2 videos.

All this is is a cry for more war. Disband NATO and suddenly you have a lot more of Eastern Europe as a target for Russian aggression, Putin didn't target a NATO country and indeed has massively increased its border with NATO given it forced Finland into the alliance.

Complete destruction of the Ukranian military wouldn't stop the violence. It would just move it to Georgia. The only way this ends is when Russia is defeated, that is the only avenue that does not lead to another war in a few months time.

You can't negotiate with a vicious dictatorial regime bent on empire building - Chamberlain found that out long ago among many others. The collective west has realised this and is assisting Ukraine to draw a very strong line in the sand. Russia needs to be driven out of Ukraine, massive reparations paid, Ukrainian citizens repatriated and the Russian leadership jailed or executed. The sooner Russia sues for peace the better for all.

You're right about one thing - this war is existential for future European peace.

You should send in your idea

https://gur.gov.ua/en/content/contacts.html