Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I think i saw that a patriot battery is over 50 vehicles, which is why its not very quickly mobile

So even if a missile got through , its going to hit a couple of components at most .. (valuable components for sure )

Ukraine has 2 batteries and what ever the dutch are giving ? Hopefully they'll be up and running again quickly ..

Also how soon before russia runs low on kinzhal missiles , they're air launched so the ukrainians probably know when theyre coming and from which direction , and if they're targeting the patriots it makes it much easier (not easy ) for the patriots to shoot them down ..

So an awful lot of expensive missiles need to be expended to take out a component of 2 ,

A single patriot system is 3 vehicles no?

Radar, Engagement control system, actual missile launcher.

Judging by the explosion either no missiles were left by the time it was struck (no secondary explosions), or either radar or ECS got hit.

Single battery can have up to 8 launchers.

There's no evidence the video shown earlier was a patriot system. There's also no confirmation how many launchers per battery was supplied to Ukraine.

There is a still image floating about (no clue in its authenticity) showing a missile failing from the reverse angle of the video.

Pac-3 (which if the picture poster earlier is correct) use 2 missiles per target, 1 to intercept the warhead and another to take out the remaining missile. If the second one missed, then you still can have a pretty large impact.

But in typical Russian propaganda, they will be pushing the idea of entire Patriot batteries destroyed to take the focus off their missiles being intercepted, especially the kinzhals.

No I never said anything about them running out of missles in may the widely held consensus is that they only have 30 days supply of Anti aircraft missles at any one time,

There's not point saying Russia Lost 100 million dollars worth of missles but ukraine only spent 80 million in missles your math is probably way off too and another poster previously said ,

The issue you have you keep looking for something you can't find or keep claiming I said this and i said that like the leaks you mention every few days,

Does ukraine have a unlimited supply of Air defense missles.

No -

But, but, Russia , Russia

Ukraine does not have an unlimited supply of air defense missles, it's that simple

A patriot system being destroyed obviously does not mean all launchers and radar and ecs destroyed. Destroying the ECS or radar would leave it inoperable unless replaced.

The missiles launched from that AA battery whatever it was, were clearly visible in the sky. There was no trace of either missile launch or AA missile falling immediately before the explosion on the ground.

Ultimately we may never know for sure as Ukraine will not admit if it were hit, and Russia will not post proof either.

If it is a patriot battery rendered inoperable, expect to see a more porous AA defence near Kyiv for the next while. If interceptions are still good, then it doesn't matter what was hit as they would still be doing enough.

Time will tell

The discord leaks

blasts visible with same time between them from webcam elsewhere in kyiv.

Likely that one video is city center and other is outskirts

I'm liking the trend lately, France following UK by sending long range missile's. Just what the doctor ordered.

Western fighter jet training commencing so only a matter of time.

Meanwhile some of the best air defence systems and armoured vehicles have been pouring into Ukraine and will continue.

Compared to 12 months ago Ukraine are far better off and Russia are far worse off. The fact they're now firing their most prized missiles at Kyiv tells you something. Only 10 million a pop aswell.

Russia won't be able to afford to rebuild this army over the next 20 years unless they want everyone living in the gutter.

Go on then.

Tell us what "security guarantee" would be "acceptable to both sides"?

Give or take a few % points I trust there is an improvement.