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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Sorry, but I asked you the question first before you attempted to divert away from it. So either man up and admit that you can’t explain it because it’s nonsense, or answer it.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,213 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Shure gods holding up a torch, innit.

    When it's night, she just points it at Australia



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Depends on how far the object it. It scales with distance. At 5km the curvature will be almost 2 meters. At 10km it will be 7.85 meters. 20km around 31 meters (it's not linear as it's a curve). So on a clear day ships around 7km or more out should start to noticeably appear lower and lower in the water. This is due to the curvature of the Earth.

    There's no "old chestnut". People who maintain the earth is flat can't coherently explain the sunset, gravity (they use "magnetism"), day/night cycles across 50% of the world's surface, any of that stuff. They don't have any model or anything. Just a picture of the azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe, which they've mistaken for a flat map.




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    There's nothing coherent in the conspiracy theory. There is not a single aspect that can be detailed or explained in any plausible way.

    They cannot even provide a motive for such a conspiracy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,130 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Ships disappearing over the horizon debunks everything you've said. It proves you are wrong.

    You have not debunked any maths. You have made some references that simply proved you lack basic maths. The difference between linear and area for example. Please try again.

    If you can't grasp a horizon bother wasting time explaining gravity.

    You have not been able to point to an object that you can see behind the curve that you should not. You gave the example of a lighthouse, and I proved how you were wrong. The curvature states you should be able to see the lighthouse from Dalkey or Dun Laoghaire. The curvature says you can't see beaches in wales, and low and behold you can't - flat earthers like yourself, claim that you can.

    (again, I don't actually believe you are this naive, and are just having a bit of fun)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,130 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Kind of, but not quite. What he actually said was "you can't see the curvature of a beach ball when you're 2mm above a beach ball, that sh1ts flat". Given beachballs is a strange subject for an astrophysicist, there is obviously some context involved, context that your post leaves out. Neil Degrass Tyson does not believe the earth, or the beach ball, is actually flat.

    The context is that he was referrign to the stratosphere freefall jump by Felix Baumgartner. 2mm above a beachball is the reletive height Felix jumped from. That jump was sponsored and heavily marketed by Red Bull as being from the "edge of space". That was an exaggeration. The below image is from Red Bulls marketing.

    The curve you see is not a real representation of hat Felix would have seen. It was cropped from a ultra wide angle lens. What you are seeing there is actually lens distortion. You so not see THAT sort of curvature at 128k feet - which is what Degrass Tyson was referring to.

    The image below that I posted earlier is from a similar 114k. That is a realistic image (images from the start of the video prove it was a rectilinear lens). Much flatter than the above, without the red line, it is more or less flat. But the red line proves tis not, and Degrass Tyson wouldn't wasn't claiming it was actually perfectly flat.

    For the sake of completeness. Here is a view from the observation capsule in the ISS. This is also a photo taken with a rectilinear lens (are proven by the top edge of the window). At this height (400km) you do see curvature like the Red bull image presented.




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    All staged apparently. They're all in on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Any evidence against a conspiracy can be dismissed as part of the conspiracy even if there's no evidence for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    you mean over the entire atlantic ocean? do you not think there are atmospheric conditions that will hinder that?


    How much of a zoom do you think it has ?


    GYHAW



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Then why after they appear to disappear to the naked eye, can these objects be brought back into focus with a zoom lens camera?

    Does the camera see over curvature?

    Can you explain why the 5th & 6th wind turbine in the video shows the platforms when they should be behind curvature?

    The world record for photography is the picture taken from Pic Finestrellas from a height of 2826m to Pic Gaspard 443km away

    Pic Gaspard is 3883m high, however according to the maths of the earth curve calculator, all of this should be obscured by the curvature plus an additional 1130m but it is clear in the picture that most of it is showing.........explain that? Or will you just say its a mirage?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    ships "disappear" out of perspective to the naked eye and reappear with a zoom lens camera, proving I am right, I am always right and you know that

    The maths proves I am right, the video evidence proves I am right and I have given multiple examples that must irate you that I am right....

    Just admit it, I am right


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    Warning applied for ignoring mod instruction

    Post edited by Hannibal_Smith on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    have you tested this? I feel you haven't tested this

    if the moon flat? is the sun flat?

    if the earth is flat, is there an underside to the flatness? how thick is the flat? why do the seas no run off the edge and disappear



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's not complicated. Those in the distance are lower due to curvature.

    Here's zoomed in footage of boats/ships on and over the horizon

    You have a smart phone? binoculars? a pair of eyes? You can see this yourself on a clear day by the sea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Ok. So you refuse to answer. No surprise there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius



    Don't you regularly post the fr Ted meme "this cow is near but the ones out there are far away"?

    Bizarre that you think the turbines in the distance, in the background would appear the same level as the ones in the foreground if on a plane...

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    @Lex Luthor as you cannot engage in proper discussion despite warnings and in thread instruction please do not post in this thread again.

    HS



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Bizzare thing to claim.

    You're claiming that due to perspective things gets shorter faster than they get less wide.

    That make zero sense.

    If the earth were flat as you believe then there would be no difference in the level of those wind turbines.


    You don't seem to understand the meme you're referring to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,130 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    If you were on a plane they would appear the same level, they would not appear to be the same size. Size and position are not the same thing. Do I need to get the plastic cows?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    This is the perfect example of why conspiracy theorists never ever want to actually detail or explain their theory outside of picking holes in the "official story". The second they try, the holes becoming very obvious and impossible to deal with.

    Marcus has claimed that things in the background do not appear level to the things in the foreground.

    This is a solid statement that we can assess.

    According to the flat earth theory, this is what we should see:

    The windmills appearing to get smaller the further away they are, with the bases on the same flat level.


    However, Markus's theory is that things get shorter faster than they get smaller proportional to the distance. Which would look like this:


    How this happens is not going to be explained, cause flat earthers don't really analyse their own theory in this much detail (ie. the barest amount of detail.) This issue can only be ignored and avoided. It's better if wasn't brought up at all, but that's because Markus messed up and made a solid statement rather than just pick holes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,130 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Not only do the vertical dimensions apparently reduce in scale must faster. But they must also reduce faster the lower they so - much so that the bases completely reduce to zero height and turn invisible.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    If the earth was flat then the bases should rise up at the same rate which the tops of the turbines lower. Give or take a bit depending on how high the cliff you are stood on looking out from, but the middle of the turbines height should all be in line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And it only affects the towers of the windmills, not the blades for some reason.

    A similar contradiction came up in the moon landing thread where it was claimed that things couldn't slow down in space and things couldn't just keep going in space cause they would slow down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,130 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Not really. If you are below the centre it will fall, if you are above it it will rise. It will only stay inline if you are inline with it. The top could even rise if you are a one it. It’s just perspective, the vanishing point is it line with your eye level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    That's what dohnjoe was implying with the picture and it's not true.

    Also, on a planar earth and even at these distances where curvature is impossible to observe, the bases of the turbines in the distance can be obscured by wave crests or even just slightly choppy water that is close to you in the foreground due to the highly acute angle that you are viewing from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But again, this doesn't make any sense.

    It's not that the bases are obscured, the water is obscuring the majority of the structure. The waves are not actually coming up to the blades of the windmill.

    You're also already contradicting your previous statement, indicating that your worldview is completely inconsistent, or you are simply making up stuff as it comes to you.


    You've also still not actually explained the picture in terms of your apparent beliefs. Nor have you actually clarified what your beliefs actually are.


    Again, perfect demonstration of how conspiracy theories work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The below ship isn't "obscured" by a wave. It's a zoomed-in photo of a ship that is likely 15 to 20 km away, meaning we see it lower like this due to the Earth's curvature.

    At 15 km the curvature is around 17.6 meters and at 20 km it's around 31.2 meters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    there's so much heat distortion in that picture that you can't draw any conclusions from it. There are ample examples online of infrared photographs (taken from a height to mitigate against immediate surrounding obstructions) that show landmarks over 200km away, which clearly defy every single one of the many, many curve calculators online.

    Why is there no single accepted curve calculator? the wildly sporadic differences in all of them is bizarre, not sure why you think this isn't unusual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And the explanation is changed again. This time it's "heat distortion" that makes things vanish and shrink apparently. All the previous issues brought up about the previous abandon explanations are ignored because they are too difficult to address.

    New claims of photos that prove a flat earth, not none actually provided. (No doubt because of a conspiracy that is hastily dreamed up.)

    And then back on the offensive to try and pick holes rather than actually discuss or think about the conspiracy theory.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,213 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    isnt it amazing how Magellan and Elcano are known for sailing off the edge of the earth.......



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    This is an incredibly stupid thread. Maybe the most stupid on these boards.



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