General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

kowloonkev · 07-05-2023 09:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120564777#Comment_120564777

Fair enough regards the Arsenal game. Again it is not a criticism, just an observation based on what Liverpool have usually done this season. Also fair enough that injuries may have prevented them lining up like that more often.

07-05-2023 09:53AM

Do people really need to be told that fabs of other clubs don't follow as closely as their own, cheers to fitz anyways for being reasonable in his comments.

Not every is a slight on yer club.

noodler · 07-05-2023 10:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120564986#Comment_120564986

"Liverpool are showing disrespect.." because of a lineup.

I think it's understandable the comment picked up a little traction. It's just a really unusual wording.

07-05-2023 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565019#Comment_120565019

It's really not unless you are looking to be outraged, its something commentators have said (giving no and showing too much) respect are phrases that get used.

How would you even pick that up wrong or in a bad way? No one thinking anyway critically would think Klopp is really being disrespectful in a literal sense, as it doesn't make any sense how would that work exactly?

Its a turn of phrase, the outrage or pissyness is just looking for an excuse to be like that.

theoneeyedman · 07-05-2023 10:30AM

Was an interesting development, and IMHO a dangerous one, yesterday, to see the EPL double down and insist on the playing of God Save the king at all games. This seems part of another phase in the campaign of the 'wrap the flag around me 'jingoism that they have already persuwd every November with the poppy celebrations. It's reminiscent of what happened in the US over the last 20 or 25 years, before that you'd seldom see their anthem at games except on veterans day or the super bowl, but the campaigning has it now that the anthem is omnipresent and heaven help anybody (Colin Kapernick, I'm looking at you) who doesn't behave patriotic enough. It was started really by the US army (who paid the NFL to play it at the start) to help recruit cannon fodder for their freedom bid in Iraq at the time.

Will we see the English anthem more and more after this?

eigrod · 07-05-2023 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565082#Comment_120565082

The camera panning to Henderson (and other Liverpool players) shows it for what it was - if he wasn’t moving his lips, he would’ve been pilloried this morning. Yet for decades England national team fans have booed every single other nation’s anthem (they sing No surrender to the IRA during ours), but that is rapidly swept under the carpet every time.

OmegaGene · 07-05-2023 10:40AM

it was just to acknowledge the coronation, it is not like it is going to be banged out every week like sweet caroline ffs

mute button is handy

ArmaniJeanss · 07-05-2023 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565082#Comment_120565082

Fairly sure the Star Spangled Banner has been played at every single NFL game since WW2. Though only relatively recently has it been so close to the kick-off with the players on the pitch.

A brief history of the NFL, 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' the Super Bowl and their tangled saga of patriotism and dissent (theconversation.com)

Also worth noting that every single intercounty GAA match plays our anthem.

I do agree with your sentiments though, if a club like Liverpool (or far less likely one of the NFL teams) don't want to play an anthem, then it shouldn't be forced.

theoneeyedman · 07-05-2023 10:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565111#Comment_120565111

Your right about the GAA, but remember, the GAA was founded as a nationalist organization, with the political aim of agitating Irish imdependance.

There is enough politics and BS around sport IMHO. Are we ok if Newcastle want to play the Saudi anthem next year? Man City the UAE one? Should everyone stand to attention on that one? Obviously, I'm exaggerating, but the point is still valid to a point - the EPL on one side promote how international they are, but on the other hand are at this baloney.

theoneeyedman · 07-05-2023 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565104#Comment_120565104

Yea, maybe, but...

The poppy day stuff was just ilon that one weekend in November a whole back, and was a very muted ceremony at each ground. Nowadays, it's plastered over every strip from late October and every presenter and pundit MUST wear it to demonstrate their patriotism and gratitude for the 'fallen heros'.

These things tend to start small as a once off, then the wedge is tapped in bit by bit until they are pervasive. This year the Coronation, next year some other reason....

Anyway, just an opinion. We're still allowed to express them, aren't we?

noodler · 07-05-2023 11:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565052#Comment_120565052

You see this is more your spin.

Where querying an unusual form of wording amounts to "outrage", "pissyness" or a "slight".

It's just looks like you are escalating to push a certain perception.

The tribal nature of this forum can be really toxic at times.

07-05-2023 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565206#Comment_120565206

Lol it's not spin it is just common sense.

The tribalness came in response to someone essentially saying Liverpool are quite attacking today and lads jumping on to make out he meant Liverpool were actually being disrespectful which again as I said makes 0 sense.

I am so far gone from tribalism, it's tiring to read it and you trying to make out what I'm saying is that, is plain silly I was calling it out here, as the original comment again was completely innocuous and jumped on by a set of fans.

You ignored all the questions I asked of course just to spout nonsense of tribalism.

Again I'll ask how could anyone thinking anyways rationally, think a lineup or playing an extra forward be disrespectful in a literal sense. And if they can't then they deffo are just looking to be outraged of course.

If you can't answer that don't bother coming back talking shite about tribalism to me, it's something that is a scourge of the forum and one I've often spoken against.

OmegaGene · 07-05-2023 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565162#Comment_120565162

the poppy is a huge money racket and if you follow the money it does not go where people think and in this world of being cancelled it means every tv presenter has to wear one or it is like mass genocide, this along with blm has no place in sport in my opinion

national anthem on the day of coronation is slightly different but that is just my opinion

noodler · 07-05-2023 11:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565243#Comment_120565243

You've just ignored your incendiary classification of simply queries on a strangely worded post.

Would you even be doing this if the OP wasn't a utd fan?

07-05-2023 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120565263#Comment_120565263

So you can't answer the questions because you know the answer which is if you took the comment up in anyways other then how it was meant you are looking to be outraged because a lineup can't actually be disrespectful.

You are being pathetic this has nothing absolutely nothing to do with me being a united fan.

Im annoyed at how the standard of posting and level of discussion on the forum has become and I'm not just talking about the general thread.

A fairly harmless yet decent conversation could have broken out yesterday if we get Fitzs response to the original comment but we get a lad and then more coming on trying to be outraged over nothing.

I don't have any hate for Liverpool or all their fans that I'd randomly jump on this argument for the sake of it, in fact I hope ye get 4th over Newcastle but of course not over united.

I'm just annoyed that we actually can't have any conversations here about anything much anymore without the outrage, baiting, disingenuous comments and that post took my ire again nothing to do about who I support.

(Although I do see the irony of me now disrupting a decent conversation about the anthem, I've said my bit I'll leave it now)

eigrod · 07-05-2023 03:40PM

What’s Neville on about “it hit his leg first” - it never hit his hand at all ffs.

noodler · 07-05-2023 03:41PM

Arsenal, even getting that decision (rightly), look rattled af.

You'd swear they were two down already.

Badly heed to settle or just go long for ten minutes.

kowloonkev · 07-05-2023 03:42PM

Correct decision made in the end there. Can see why the ref would think it was a penalty and I'd rather the ref making a big call that's overturned than waiting for VAR to make all the decisions.

noodler · 07-05-2023 03:45PM

Massive goal.

d22ontour · 07-05-2023 03:46PM

Nice hit.

noodler · 07-05-2023 03:48PM

That back four are blessed not to have been punished by this sloppiness so far.

noodler · 07-05-2023 03:54PM

Should be 0-3 they'll surely regret that

noodler · 07-05-2023 04:14PM

Newcastle should have four yellows by now.

Get away with absolute murder.

07-05-2023 04:16PM

How Newcastle haven't gotten two or three yellow cards in this half is beyond me.

eigrod · 07-05-2023 04:16PM

That was deliberate by Joelinton. Yellow at least.

irelandrover · 07-05-2023 04:21PM

Newcastle have been so awful to watch this year with their time wasting. It's nice to see them getting so frustrated when it's done back to them.

Quazzie · 07-05-2023 04:23PM

Ødegaard should've done better there. Newcastle really starting to lose the run of themselves there.

noodler · 07-05-2023 04:23PM

My god how did Odengaard not score.

This should be out of sight.

theoneeyedman · 07-05-2023 04:24PM

Arsenal should be out of sight here.

SlickRic · 07-05-2023 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120566135#Comment_120566135

The irony of their complaining should not be lost. A pathetic side for gamesmanship.

General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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