Kin - RTE & AMC

Will Bren be alive by the end of this season?

I hope so but fear not.

Makes Eamonn Cunningham look like Mary Poppins.

Reality.

Here you go. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mobile-phone-data-used-in-graham-dwyer-case-in-breach-of-eu-law-court-rules-1.4845060

Birdy seems a bit protective of Viking, is that because he's her son or because he's a loose canon? She also seems close to Nikita, buying her stuff and having a chat with her to keep Viking on the straight and narrow.

I think perhaps Birdy is Viking's mother but perhaps she was gang raped or abused by Bren's gang rather than Bren himself. I don't think Bren is Viking's father, he is quite nasty to him.

Maybe Birdy had Viking and Frank is bringing him up to show he's not gay, Bren's gang are probably homophobic especially 20+ years ago.

Frank and Birdy are close, a much different relationship than with Bren.

Here you go what?

Do you understand the article and how EU data protection legislation makes it more difficult for law enforcement?

Anyone able to explain how Bren’s actions make him evidentially vulnerable? Cos it ain’t the case. Unless the scriptwriters screw up he’s not placed himself at risk with that call.

No, that’s a possibility. She’d have had to have given consent for the recording though. For it to be admitted to court one party has to have agreed to it.

In all likelihood she won’t now give evidence and would deny giving consent. Even with a recording of the threats it’d be of no use to the Gardai.

They can’t pin anything on Bren for this. And I think we’re going down a wormhole. We all know he’s much more likely to be shot than arrested.

What regular in that pub is going to speak to the Gardai? They’re unbothered by the police fishing for info.

And you’re assuming they can pinpoint the pub as the location, never mind the office. Nothing legal to pin on Bren for that call. You’re surely aware of the irrelevance of circumstantial evidence? A scriptwriter screw-up if they use that, and the producers seem pretty savvy.

This is probably a minor point but people with epilepsy have to nominate a specific chemist to get free meds so the cops would know where he gets his pills but I still doubt she's uc as I'm sure they're not allowed ride the suspect that would cause all sorts of problems in court surely.

"I wonder why they left their phones at home when they went up the mountains with Kem?" This was to prevent their movements being tracked by modern phone technology which would give a road map of where they'd been.

How are you finding this so hard? Viking and Anthony left their phones at home as their location would match Kem’s location at the time of his death. That would not be circumstantial evidence.

Bren was not hiding his location. No need.. If the Gardai trace the call to the pub they have no SIM, no phone and circa 20-30 people in the pub who could have made that call. It wasn’t done in a private house. It was done in a public place with several possible callers present ie everyone there.

Him being in the environs is circumstantial and not evidence that any prosecutor would attempt to use as they’d be instantaneously embarrassed by the judicial intervention.

The thing is, if they wrote about keys being dumped in a reservoir with a dunnes valueclub card attached. Then said reservoir going dry because of unusual good weather.

Then a guard doing their job with a little bit extra diligence. Everyone would say major feckin plot hole/exaggeration. However that's exactly what happened in real life!

I mean yeah there's going to be stretches....the only one that really seemed far fetched was the chipper van in the middle of nowhere. The rest I can live with.