Happy St. George's Day.

It's tragic that they leave celebrating their culture to the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg and Tommy Robinson. The middle has almost completely abandoned its history and culture.

That said, there will be plenty of people from the middle celebrating the King's coronation. But isn't that the point I've been making? They think their culture and history is all about royalty and the nobility. Hard to get them to celebrate anything to do with the common man.

Ah, I mean the common man as working-middle and middle class people. Not a full time football hooligan and not the upper class. The vast majority of the country.

Those people are totally disconnected from their history and culture because its all framed in the actions of Kings, Lords and Sirs. The middle of the country don't have an easily accessible history of people like themselves.

There are plenty of dicisions between people but I'd wager something that unites the middle is their ambivalence towards history (apart from 2 world wars and one world cup).

I'm always surprised how my friends are fairly curious about most things and fairly well informed on contemporary issues, but have little interest in history.

A personal hypothesis of mine is that people who are most afraid of immigration eroding their culture, are the least informed on their history and least likely to practice their own culture. In other words their own ignorance is the biggest threat to their culture.

My mates don't know any of their local folklore, dancing, or pretty much any of the other traditions beyond football and rugby league. Maybe they're just dopes but it think it's pretty common in England.

No idea what you're point is. Anything to contribute to the thread?

So let’s get this straight. You think British people should choose the aspects of culture that you think they should. How dare football mean so much to them.

you have a problem with people regarding the royalty as part of their culture but no problem if it was folklore and leprechauns.

there is an incredible arrogance and lack of perception in many recent posts here.

I think you could read a little bit of nuance into it. But in case you need it spelled out, then yes. I'm sure some of them are deeply invested in the history of the common English people. But by and large, yes, they're deeply ignorant of their history and culture.

And they are right to an extent. Theie culture is at serious risk if they dont actively learn it, practice it and teach it to the next generation. If other people who practise their culture come into england, then the native culture is vulnerable. But that's not the fault of the Poles for speaking their language and cooking their food and practicing their culture and passing it to their children. Unfortunately it's the fault of the very people who are most opposed to other cultures and don't know how to promote their own culture because they've lost touch with it.

I saw someone complain that nobody celebrates St George's day and complained that they celebrate foreigner's cultures instead. That's because those foreigners make their culture accessible and fun for others to learn about and take part in. St Patrick's and Chinese New year are obvious examples. Fun and accessible street parties for the family to come take part in. It's not about sh1tting on anyone else's culture, and it's inclusive. I've never seen anything that for St. George's day.

I don't think native dancing or folklore is inherently esoteric. It's understood and practiced by very few people at the moment but there's nothing exclusive about it. Monarchy and nobility are inherently esoteric. But that's the history they push.

We take for granted in Ireland how everyone knows about the likes of Cu Chulainn. Every time I drive through Kildare I think about it. There's a place near my home named Ballyfin which is supposedly named because it's where Fionn Mac Cumhaill hung out with the fianna. We have connections to that folklore in loads of intangible ways that are part of everyday life.

We have it built into celebrations in simple ways like having a sing-song at a family occasion.

It's not just about consequence though. Its also about shared culture. You can learn about King Charles, but you'll never go and spend time with him and actually get to know him up close. I consider Irish dancing a part of my culture and I can go to see it, I could take part in it if my knees were up to it, and I could bring my children to see it and feel part of it. You can learn about Henry 8th (and it's certainly an important historical event) but it's not really a normal English person's culture. It's the culture of the royals and the nobility in England, but it's pretty inaccessible to anyone else.

But it's the part of their history that they focus on while they ignore the history of the common people. That's pretty sad.

A true Brit. Here in one of your more republican papers. from the 1700s to the 1080s it’s clear where their hearts lay https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/23408

I wasn't in school in England so I take your word for it. School is important but it isn't the only place where culture and history happens. Just as an example, do they have many songs about those events that you'd often hear down the pub or at family occasions? Do people often tell stories about them and keep their memory alive?

Songs and stories are just examples and jot the only way to do it. How do normal English people celebrate those events and keep their memories alive in the culture?