Supersoil- Snake oil?

You do realise that the efficacy of the urea you spread is anywhere between 15 and 35%.

What has he been doing with his slurry for the last 7 years?

That heading picture for that clip with Tom is enough to tell me it's not going to work with him.

A virtual Mars bar to anyone that sees what's wrong with applying biology in that picture.

PSI ++++

Nearly fell off my seat when I seen the thumbnail for this video.

Be interested to see what happens. Will we get an honest appraisal?

"I'm surprised the sellers of SUPERsoil are not advising same"

They are definitely not advertising that fact. I'm learning all the time. Thank you.

Would it be worth the time effort vs benefit to rig up something that will do a direct injection application into the soil ? I'm all for trying something new but if it's a marginal increase benefit then I won't be.

If you're going on pasture and not tilled ground then no what's the point of destroying your biology that's already there with tillage.

I've been toying around with this idea for years. I don't think it's worth the hassle for pasture.

We have rainfall and cloudy days in this country. Why not use those instead.

Nobody knows what these biology are so who knows if it die straight away in the slurry or half dies or it turns the whole thing fungal and you'll be looking for an excavator to empty your tank.

Tbh I don't think the salespeople for supersoil know what it is either. Someone said to me they think its imported Chinese product rebagged in Ireland. I'm nearly swaying that way. There's nothing about where its made or what they know is in it mentioned.

Someone asked a question of the originators of the Johnson Su compost maker could the biology be stored and bagged and sold commercially. Their answer. No. You'll kill it.

It says it's super too.

Even the makers of Sobac tell the world it's made in France and where and who exactly.

This is claimed is made from the best soil in the world. Did anyone care to ask them exactly where this best soil in the world is located..

You can make biology from compost. But as above you'll loose the majority by trying to bag it. I'm in contact with someone from the UK who did a full dna soil analysis on their land. They're working with a University to try and isolate species or even use as is. It's very finicky stuff and they're having trouble doing so.

Big money for something with no independent information on what it’ll do

as someone said to me before if the company won’t pay to have the product trialled why should I be there Guinea pig

It's amazing the amount of lads that have been taken in by it though. I see on Facebook fellas we're saying they were removing comments saying it didn't work from their official page. Was talking to a fella the other day that wouldn't be stuck for stock that told me he had it bought and wasn't spreading any fert this year.

Doesn't look like someone who knows much about soil health. I might be wrong. Does look like he on selling on some other product as noted above.

Seems like Dundalk version of del boy trotter.

I see it made the lifestyle section of the Sunday indo today, "this fertiliser takes soil microbes and organic plant matter and through a patented quantum compression technique produce a powder that promises discernible soil improvement in three weeks"

People are very proud of their lawns, I think this will fly of the shelves for the gardeners.

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Wow that is a lot.

Wow that is a lot of high praise about oneself. Some big claims being made by Supersoil. It feels like a pyramid scheme. Where they give the product to some farmers/“influencers (paid marketers) who then promote the product.

Could well have a shelf life. Just like the biology in their bags!

I think we'd all give Supersoil a try if we know what was in it and/or how it works. Ya could be spreading nuclear waste for all we know and no amount of bullshite/hype/pictures of green grass is going to change anything.

By right, a few of us should team up here and spread a bit on differing land types, different soil indexs and the like and see what the story is.

What ever about it being snake oil the local coop can't keep it on the shelves this spring, I'd be a wait and see first to see the results. I notice none of agricultural advisors here or in the UK have made any research or recommendations about the stuff.

Yeah but lads don't like to admit they were stung and you'll see loads of unscientific anecdotal evidence that its great stuff. A kind of word of mouth evidence that it must be working if everyone says it is

Watched the Tom Pemberton video yesterday, as was said a few posts back i thought something fishy when he said best results on land that got farm yard manure.

The only way to test is to spread half and half on the same field, that'll tell you if it's any good.

Any product that hawks the "carbon footprint" nonsense , get placed into the bollocks bracket until proven otherwise.

Ammonia or Nitrates need Carbon to stop them either floating off in the air or leaching. With nitrates you need a little movement or else the plant won't take in any but too little carbon and then it's down your waterways. The trouble is biology can eat your carbon if exposed through tillage or during a drought and nitrates can explode in soil from both the the increased food source for biology and increased biology number and lack of then carbon to hold it.

I'm confusing myself now..

Humic, fulvic added to dairy washings and the start of the third round grazing. Humic, fulvic, carbon buffers any negative effects from dairy detergents in the mix and holds onto any N, P, S, B in that carbon in the top layers of soil for your plants. The key to everything is balancing with the opposite number and then that allows more N efficiency and less N used, leakage.

Same idea works with biochar and humic, fulvic enhances char.

There's commercially available humates in this country that you spread with the fertiliser spreader if the want took people. They never had the budget or publicity for advertising that supersoil undertook though.

But as with balance if you overtip you may take N from the plant. But if you don't you may get leaching. Balance.

Just to name out options apart from the NPK that people were brought up with.

Calcified seaweed.

Powdered seaweed - for spraying. Liquid too.

Humic acid.

Fulvic acid.

Humates for spreading in your spreader.

Molasses.

Gypsum - powdered and granulated.

Kieserite granulated. Sulphur, magnesium.

Biochar - you'd have to make it yourself though.

Sobac - brand name.

This thread title.

All the various imo's and biologicals from Korean natural farming from LABS to fermented seawater.

Compost teas, vermicast.

Benificial Anaerobic Microbes or BAM from NTS.

Fish Hydrolysate.

Citric Acid.

I find it good. But you have to think of it as calcified seaweed or spray on seaweed just combined with a fert. I.e building up your mineral status. There's a beneficial element to biology, in that other fert would be the complete opposite i.e harm biology.

The 11 units I've gone out with this year has been half bag of terra graze.

The terra range from Cooney Furlong.

The calcified seaweed from Shamrock Enterprises.

There is another company or two doing as well calcified too but I can't find them atm nor dealt with them but they advertise occasionally in equine publications. Organic producers should be well up on contacts as well.

Breens out the monageer road, enniscorthy sell oyster shell but the trouble with all these is they went up in price when fert went up. Not sure if they went down again with the falling fert prices. These are long term investments tho. Mineral element for stock in forage grown where these are spread as well as reductions able to be made in N applications.

What you get will usually give the rates of application and method of application.

After that it's use your own judgement.