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Buying Tesla with no way to charge at home - no driveway (Dublin City)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    It amazes me why home chargers on the street aren't a thing yet. Saying that, I know what the council is like. It takes them years to do anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Newoven


    Dublin City Council has decided against on street slow chargers. They produced a strategy document last year which concluded that 50 fast charging hubs in the city would be better than the estimated 4,000 on street chargers that will be needed as they’d be easier to install and manage. Their conclusions are here:

    I’d prefer a 7kw charger nearby that I could park at for an afternoon or overnight once a week than a 100kw charger I have to queue for and retrieve my car from in 60 minutes but I can see their point. I get the feeling the local authorities don’t want a new headache and are hoping commercial providers will take up the slack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭gizabeer


    Don't do it , Having to use public chargers is the biggest drawback , They're nearly all mickey mouse slow chargers or on the off chance you find a (fast Lol) 50w one there'll be some old dear who's just got their brand new EV and its their first time charging it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Newoven


    That’s a great summary, Innrain. I didn’t appreciate the restrictions the lamp post connections and cabling impose but it starts to make sense that DCC isn’t inclined to install lamp post chargers given the scale of work involved. The section on running cables across paths also answers some of the questions on insurance and liability that have been raised here before. I’ll pass this on to my neighbours who are doing this very thing with an outdoor socket and granny cable as I think they are just hoping it’s ok. It’s a pity though - my car is parked just 2m of pavement from my front fence so to have that gap practically insurmountable is a real shame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Newoven


    Or read the previous comments explaining how it is doable and then decide….



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    If your looking for chargers, instead of randomly driving around, try using one of the mapping services that allow you to filter by speed and connection type, it's a much more effective method than finding a random old woman driving a car you think is electric and hoping she's on her way to a charger.

    Zap Map is the one I use https://www.zap-map.com/live/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭innrain


    Now this report is what I call a reactive report. Maybe is just me, as my job description is to find solutions to people's problems, but to me this report is just a big bag of excuses. Nothing proactive or actions in it. Just don't and won't

    Before agreeing with them, consider that the City of Westminster has over 1.5k such charging points or Vienna 1.8k I've read somewhere that Amsterdam has over 4k. So technically is possible. DLRCoCo runs the largest (5?) pilot on 3 rock rd which is not a residential area !? Why? The skeptic in my says to control the results but let's not go there. The cost issue is thrown with average 10k per unit installed, from pilots with one unit in tests. Really? Averages work better on multiple samples. Just saying. Loot at the street view link. All charging points on 3 rock rd are in use. Isn't it great? Dublin Councils decided on their strategy though that AC charging is a no no, and they will install DC hubs.

    The Department of Transport’s Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure Strategy 2022-2025 considers neighbourhood EVCPs to be the main solution for those without access to private home charging. Due to the nature of the Dublin region (considerable space constraint in places) and Dublin’s aim to encourage a shift away from private car use in the city centre, the Dublin LA strategy considers a different priority, namely rapid hub charging will be prioritised over slow-fast neighbourhood chargers.

    So finger for the gov as we're not going to do it. Amsterdam is not spaced constrained at all or it is not prioritizing cycling that's why they installed 4k charging points. Meanwhile new private car parks will have to provide 10% (?) of spaces with EV charging, otherwise no planing permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 theinferior


    Or you could try asking the council to allow you to do this:

    I wrote to the company and they are willing to install in Ireland, if you can get permission.

    Also, at least one company has offered to install a pedestal charger for me with the cable going under the pavement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭HBC08


    That's a UK site.

    Maybe they're not familiar with the litigious nature of this country.

    Somebody decides to trip on that cable and you're in trouble.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 theinferior


    There is no cable to trip on, that's the point. That's what they do, they put it under the footpath and cover it all up so that there is no hazard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I understand the concept but the cable (as in the above pic) is a trip hazard where it comes up to plug into the car.

    I very much doubt you can legally do this in Ireland.

    I really hope something like this can be installed,I have a townhouse and feel as a result I don't have the option of ever having a EV.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I don't see how it's any different than having a kerbside AC charging pillar with the cable connected to the car. I think people over play the litigious nature here.

    There are plenty of solutions available for townhouses where the estate is still privately managed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Infrequent minor inconveniences like finding a public charger are OK but don't think that relying on it for your motoring needs will be the same. You'll end up resenting the car. And you won't save anything on fuel.

    You'd really have to love the Tesla to put up with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Newoven


    My resentment of Tesla is caused by the CEO not the car.

    On price of charging versus fuel we are in an unusual situation where the cost of petrol and diesel have fallen but electricity prices remain much higher Than before. Temporary reductions to excise duty on petrol and diesel add to the differential. The government didn’t provide any tax incentives for car charging when they caved to pressure on fuel prices last year. So for comparison a quick calculation says the cost of motoring using ECars chargers is similar to diesel at the moment. A diesel using 5l/100km at €1.60 a litre will cost approximately 8c per km. a Model 3 using 15kwh/100km at 50c per kwh will cost around 7.5c per km. The EV saves more money on servicing, motor tax and road tolls. When I started using ECars last year they were charging just 20c/kWh so it’s not that long since public charging was significantly cheaper than ICE. Hopefully electricity prices will fall back in line with fuel and gas prices and the equation will lean more in the favour of the EV but at worst I think they are broadly equivalent now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    That's a brilliant solution. If it was me, I'd just put it in. If the council comes knocking just play dumb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭Thumper Long


    Hadn’t seen that before, Occams Razor at its finest, that could solve a vast proportion of home charging obstacles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That looks pretty cool alright.

    Can Imagine some messers having fun with it though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    What is handy is that the wire can be removed. We need a solution and this is it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Don't know about the OPs situation but mine is not privately managed,like hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in Ireland.

    Your comment about the overplaying of the litigious nature of people in Ireland is easily contradicted by figures on same.

    I can't be 100% sure but the example in the picture would not be legal in Ireland.

    Good luck getting any council or relevant body to sign off and take responsibility for that.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Has there been case where a person successfully took a personal injury case by tripping on a cable attached to a charging car. Given the general anti EV news I would expect any case like that to be all over the news. I still don't see any functional difference between the posters picture and an eCars style kerbside AC point. It will probably need a test case to settle the liability question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 433 ✭✭Dubwat


    Re the street cable charging, someone posted a review/policy PDF (pg 5) from DCC. They come out strongly against them:

    1. Their insurers reckon the council will be stuck with paying any claims.
    2. "In addition to genuine liability concerns at present only entities governed by a statutory regulator (such as CRU) are permitted to install electrical services, above or below ground, in the public domain. It is also essential that all electrical connections in the public domain can be safely isolated at the point where the services reside. In the case of private households providing electrical connections in the public domain, this requirement cannot be achieved. Nor can electrical certification from a private dwelling be relied upon for electrical installation in the public domain."
    3. "The City Council will not be supporting the use of EV charging cables connected to off-street EVCPs."

    It's kinda sad as it has obviously been done in other jurisdictions. I remember one YouTube video where the presenter had a 10 minute walk from his apartment to the overnight slow charger and he enjoyed that walk because he felt it woke him up and energised him for the day...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭innrain


    I've seen cars circling the entrance of the gym just to park at the door then go for 1h run on the treadmill so 10 mins walk is out of the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,481 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 433 ✭✭Dubwat


    See innrain's comment near the top of the page:


    innrain:

    "Before agreeing with them, consider that the City of Westminster has over 1.5k such charging points or Vienna 1.8k I've read somewhere that Amsterdam has over 4k. So technically is possible. DLRCoCo runs the largest (5?) pilot on 3 rock rd which is not a residential area !?"



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