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Buying Tesla with no way to charge at home - no driveway (Dublin City)

  • 21-04-2023 9:54am
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    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭


    Does anybody have experience with owning a Tesla but have no way to install a homecharger therefore 100% relies on public charging stations?

    I live in a part of Dublin where none of the houses have driveways on my street. The parking is Pay & Display. This is very common throughout the city obviously and I often see Teslas and other EVs parked nearby (Portobello/Rathmines/Harolds Cross etc.) and wonder what those owners charging habits are.

    I don't drive much and was thinking of charging the vehicle fully at least once a week with possible top ups throughout the week. The range on all Tesla models is more than enough to cover my commute if I charge once a week.

    However, I have read on a few forums that the car SHOULD be charged daily otherwise this could seriously harm the battery life and the range over time.

    Surely there are plenty of people in a similar situation as not all houses in Dublin have front driveways?

    Help would be appreciated!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭VikingG


    There is no need to charge the car daily - charging once a week is common. However I would say that constantly charging via DC Fast charging is not great. When you charge at home you charging at 7KW over a period of multiple hours, Fast Chargers are 50 to 150KW - so when you depending on public charging you can use the slower AC chargers or the faster DC chargers. However the trend is towards installing faster DC chargers, but you would need to check what is available in your area. just take a look at the plugshare website.

    My advice is that if you cant charge at home the hassle of public charging can be problematic



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Alternative advice, if you don't drive much at all, is to forego a car completely and just use Go Car if/when you have a particular need. That way you get out of magpie mode and avoid a huge outlay.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I would also have thought that using Public charging exclusively largely (if not completely) negates any potential cost savings from switching from ICE to BEV.

    Instead of paying ~20c a Kw/hr for charging overnight at home , you'd be paying several multiples of that for public charging.



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Doesn't make any sense financially, you'll be paying more than petrol at the pump using public chargers and then the hassle of charging.

    Nissan and Honda now have cars that drive exactly like EV's and are fuelled by petrol, if it's the EV driving experience your looking for which is much nicer than ICE



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭innrain


    Charging infrastructure on Dublin City streets is very bad. From areas you mentioned Harold Cross has no street charging just one on private setting, Portobello one, no proper markings so tends to be ICEd, Rathmines zero on the st, one at Tesco again often ICEd and 2 hours maximum stay. The fact that you drive very little does not help you encounter better areas. There might be Supervalu in Kimmage with some DC charging but I won't suggest to rely on ESB.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭Bakharwaldog


    I was in the same situation as you and I ended up buying a Tesla. If you are after cost savings then they are going to be marginal if using public infrastructure at current rates. However if you just want a Tesla (like me) then I wouldn't view it as a barrier.

    Like you I need to charge about once per week, but usually only when I am going on a long journey. So I just use supercharger/other fast chargers en route - which I would have likely had to do anyway even with home charging. It would sort of depend on what route your commute/or other drives take you. If there is a 150kw+ charger at some point along those routes then you are probably more than fine (check plugshare for chargers)

    I think it is more than manageable to not have charging at home and in general I happy with it. Although at times it does limit you somewhat. For example instead of a quick top up on a long journey I have to wait an additional 10 mins, and I can't arrive home with 1% battery etc.

    You just have to really take advantage of any public chargers when you can - always be charging. So for example this might mean a slight change to where you do your shopping so you can top up while you shop. Is there a charger at the gym etc. These little charges can mean that you never really run out of juice and mean you don't have to go out of your way to charge often/at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,233 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I saw one of these at a terrace house in Ballsbridge




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I know that in the UK there has been some discussion about whether a thing like that reaching out over the public street requires planning permission and also if it means you need to extend Insurance coverage for public liability.

    Might not be the case in Ireland , but I'd be pretty cagey about having something like that I my house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Don't do this by choice. There is no real upside. It's massive hassle to charge car in public even if only once a week.

    A non EV will be far less hassle. Others may have free workplace charging or pass Tesla only superchargers on their regular trips.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    How useful is it when anyone can park in a parking space on a public road and block you from accessing the charger you have installed.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    A Tesla or any EV for that matter can be cumbersome without home charging.

    At the start it’s fine. You’ll tell yourself I’m going for a walk anyway, or a coffee or a run etc

    But it will get tiresome quickly IMO.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    This thread will follow the normal format for such things

    You'll get the usual people who don't regularly charge away from home telling you it's not doable or it's a painful experience. You'll get the people who are actually doing it who will tell you it's fine so long as you check out the local charging situation and don't buy a car that needs to be charged every two days.

    At the end of the day so long as you aren't buying the car to save money on running costs you'll likely be fine. Public charging is only getting better year on year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭jayjay2010


    That's it, I probably should have specified that I am not looking to buy a Tesla to save money on running costs but more so because I like them and I'd like to try something a bit different. I have zero experience with driving around looking for charging stations so I hope it doesn't become too much of a burden. But as you said, public charging seems to be improving each year and lets hope it continues!



  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭jayjay2010


    It looks like the Supervalu in Kimmage has 4 charging points of various speeds. Kimmage wouldn't be too far from me so if I had to go there once a week to charge that wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't want to rely on just one charging station though, I need a few options.



  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭jayjay2010


    Thanks for the insight. I am considering a Tesla just because I like them - they are reasonably priced for a new car. Are you living in Dublin? Do you have any tips on which charging stations are decent etc? Another concern I have is that I would prefer not to leave my car charging somewhere overnight for security reasons. I have no experience with EVs and charging etc so any tips welcome!



  • Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭steve-o


    Plenty of people have a wall charger and run the cable across the pavement under a cable protector. No doubt there's a regulation against that, and you are at risk of having a litigious sort deciding to take a tumble



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Petrol cars don't drive like EVs.

    Great idea for anyone with dedicated parking on-street. Suburban townhouse and the likes.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,282 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's not impossible, I have free charging at work, nearly never use my home charger

    Before I worked there and before I had a home charger I worked in a place near a train station that had a quiet charger so I probably could have gotten away with not having a home charger at all

    Regards the charge arm, your politely ask your neighbors to leave a space free for you to charge?



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭Newoven


    I got my Model 3 RWD last year and I live in a terraced house in Portobello so not too far from you. I regularly use 11kw AC chargers on Adelaide Road, Wilton Place, Earlsfort Terrace and sometimes 50kw chargers in places like Lucan Shopping Centre and the Cricle K on Templeville Road or John Rogerson quay. The slow AC chargers in Dublin 2 are generally easy to get to and the ECars app will show you which ones are free so there’s no need to cruise around looking for one. You can park at one for something like 10 hours without overstay charges so it is ok to leave it there most of the day or even overnight. Don’t forget the clampers get going early though. The downside of the city chargers is you have to pay for parking when parking fees apply. That makes it very expensive so I only use them on weekday evenings after 7pm or on Sundays when parking is usually free all day. Having a parking pass for my street gets me no benefits if charging elsewhere in town.

    My conclusion after a year is it’s perfectly doable. It’s not as cheap as home charging but hopefully prices will drop back soon and it’ll be less of an issue. Superchargers on motorways means Tesla is a much more dependable EV to drive long distances than the other makes that are reliant on ECars or Ionity. So I say if you want one and you don’t drive 200km every day and there are ECars chargers within walking distance then go for it. I wouldn’t go back to diesel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,845 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    They look like a solicitors wet dream. An electrical hazard hanging down on the footpath is an open cheque book in a country where you can get compensation for nearly everything.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,767 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I'm going to be in the same position as you OP in around 4 months. I'll be selling mine then.

    Not a chance am I spinning around looking for chargers. My nearest charger will be the Tesco in Rathmines. Not only is the AC charging expensive with ESB but you've also to pay the parking charges.

    We go to Kerry a few times a year and also to my folks in Tyrone. The thought of the car being on 22% the night before, and I've to figure out where I can go and charge to at least 70 or 80% to get to the first supercharger isn't worth it.

    In the Harold's cross, Rathmines, Rathgar, Terenure area there is the sum of fcuk all chargers for the amount of houses with no driveways.



  • Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    I agree with this poster. I work in Ranelagh and regularly walk the neighborhood. Plenty of people charge their EVs by running cable over the path from poles on the street. Is it legal, probably not but if you are in a quiet cul-de-sac or on a quiet road would it be worth installing a wall box at home? Probably. That charging arm is a great idea. It might be worth looking into.

    Public charging in Dublin 6 is very limited but you should identify a local charger first close to your home, establish the best day to use it and top up the car once a week, maybe on a Saturday or Sunday.

    It's all doable and more about having the right attitude which I think you do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭innrain


    Seems to me you kinda made your mind. Maybe rent one and see how it goes. I live in an apartment and I drive EVs since March 2019. The thing is I drive at least 100 km a day but sometimes even 200 without crosssing Dublin's borders. It is a different mindset than when you have charger at home but is is not the end of the world. I've learnt the charging infrastructure around me and if we go somewhere where the car will be parked for few hours, unconsciously I calculate if there is a charger and if I can charge there. It doesn't take much effort.



  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭iniscealtra


    My cousin lives has no parking and just rents a car when she needs it. About once a month. Much cheaper than owning a car and no hassle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭jayjay2010


    Thanks for all the tips. Sounds like you have your charging days pretty well planned out. Have you ever tried the public charger in Harold's Cross Hospice? It's a low KW one but I am not sure if this is a public station or is it meant to staff/visitors of the hospice only.

    I've downloaded the EV app that you mentioned - thanks for the tip. Will check out those parking spots as they are not far from me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭jayjay2010


    I see plenty of Teslas parked outside terraced houses all over Dublin 6/4, surely a lot of those people rely on the public EV infrastructure so it must be working ok for them. I hope to only need to charge the car once a week with possible smaller top ups during the week so public charging shouldn't become too much hassle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭innrain


    They might charge at work. Did you install Plugshare? Community driven you can gauge charger reliability, helps locating and so on. The one you mention. Pretty slow, charges about 10% per hour, the price is okish. I don't know about parking fees and rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭Bakharwaldog


    I live near black rock and common drive for me is to west of the country so I hit either Tesla Sandyford, SuperValu knocklyon, Tesla Enfield or Ionity. That does me for the trip, as well as for the week or so after. As well as topping up whenever I am already going somewhere - so top with AC when getting food shopping, or in dundrum shopping center fro example, or on-street AC if I am in town for whatever reason et. That does the job for me and never been stuck. Your area is a bit sparce on high powered chargers I'll admit that. But if you had the 50kw in Kimmage for 30 mins a week it might do you.


    The trick is to always top up if available, even if you don't need it. I have never had to drive around looking for a charger. But again would depend on your routes. Definitely wouldn't be relying on AC for anything but top up. Ideally you would have a DC on usual route somewhere



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    I did it for a few months when I first got the car (Model 3), North Dublin area. I had an ionity within 10 mins of home and it came in useful, along with workplace charging (a 120km round trip to work).

    It was doable, but I was growing weary of it before the charger was installed at home. Not tired of the car, I've loved that and driving it is brilliant since day one. But having to factor in another 40 mins to prep for a weekend or long road trip.

    Having access to overnight charging is a game changer because you can leave it to do it's thing and start the day with a full 'tank'.

    I think someone recommended perhaps renting one to see how it would work out for you. That's a pretty good idea - UFO Drive are useful for that, they've a few spots that you can pick up a car in Dublin, and a referral thread over in the bargain alerts board - or some people have been able to set up a longer test drive (over a weekend or so). That might be useful, but won't give you a feel for your work / commute or normal week.

    Take everyone's advice, weigh it up and go with what works for you.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭Newoven


    I haven’t tried that one, Jay. I didn’t know it was there but a glance at the PlugShare app says it’s an Easygo installation and should be open to the public. So there are two more apps you’ll need when you get the M3 - as Innrain mentioned PlugShare is a good app to see all chargers on a map, Easygo is necessary to use their chargers that are dotted around in Lidl car parks and other businesses. This is part of the frustration of public charging as there are multiple providers and they all have their own apps and RFID cards, you have to open separate accounts with them. Has to be done once so not an ongoing hassle but it’s a pity there isn’t some unified system.

    Last Saturday we were in Blackrock, Co Louth for a family dinner. I plugged in at the ECars AC charger with 21% charge and it reached 100% while we ate. We drove back to Dublin on Sunday, I had two trips to Lucan this week and one to Deansgrange. The car still has 41% charge left so I probably won’t charge it again until next weekend. So as a low mileage EV owner public charging is usable. If I was under pressure to charge it a couple of times a week I might be less enthusiastic but it’s ok for me. Now if only the Council would consider local chargers in lampposts or on our streets, or if they would allow us free parking while charging it would make the process simpler. Time for another email….



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