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Every type of food is unsustainable now

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The amount of processing to make a bottle of rapeseed oil would put you off the stuff forever.

    Whereas beef fat and lard are just rendered animal fat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,463 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    And nicer too 😁

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    No lad there’s huge usage of medication’s used on animals here I’ve worked on farms & used to live on farm for year’s.

    We don’t use allot of what they use but we still use far too much.

    Proper grassland management would help solve a lot of our problems.

    Too often I see maybe 20 or 30 cattle or sheep having free roam in a big 20 or 30 acre field



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Try to fry meat or chips in pork lard and you will not buy bottle of oil again. Polish shops carry a selection of it or you can make your own.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,274 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I believe if you see E120 on a food label, its for some insect derived food additive. Not for me, just a gimmick to sell low quality food for a high margin

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    this is the stuff they sell as 'vegetable oil', and also what 90% of fast food restaurants will use in fryers.

    More eco friendly? Maybe, if you don't mind the huge rapeflower monocultures

    Healthy? Not a chance



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,496 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    e120 is cochineal, it's a common food colouring. i don't think there's anything 'low quality' inherent in the name e120.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Other websites will tell you rapeseed oil is very healthy. Takes a lot less land to make rapeseed oil than animal oil too. Ireland is one vast monoculture to feed cows by the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Agriculture is subsidised across the Western world not just in Ireland. You should advocate for the subsidies to be stopped immediately and then see how the planets eight billion souls are fed .

    What could possibly go wrong ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,970 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Grow your own spuds peel them and chip them.

    Grow your own rapeseed and cold press to make oil.

    Cook the chips on a range fired by timber you grew and cut.

    Sustainable chips 🙂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Growing crops like rape is almost all mechanised - tilling the soil releases more co2, fields are typically larger than those for animal rearing with less hedgerows between as a result. And most decent dairies or beef will now seed clover and other grasses, not a monoculture strictly speaking. Much better than the alternative - have a look at some of the larger wheat or barley farms in this country if you want an idea of how not eco-friendly modern arable farming is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭amacca


    Careful now, don't try talking sense or using any of that aul logic and go against the narrative!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,496 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i once did a back of the envelope calculation, that a hectare on an hazelnut farm in SE england produces 20 times the calories per year, that an average hectare used for beef production does in ireland.

    we do well for beef/dairy etc. here because we're extremely good at growing grass. but being more efficient at a particular method of production than others is not the same as producing food efficiently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    A hectare in SE England is practically another climate compared to our wet, windy and overall mild isle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,274 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    wouldnt trust it, rapeseed oil started out as an engine lubricant company looking for a new use, its highly processed with chemicals and has a poor Omega 6/3 ratio. While it could be a total coincidence the switch to these kinds of oils which are in everything these days is also when obesity related conditions skyrocketed in the 80's.

    Grass fields are a lot more insect, animal friendly and more sustainable than fields of mono crops

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yeah but they take up far more room. worldwide, if our calories consumed came from plants rather than farmed animals, the planet would be in far better shape. don't forget that most farmed animals eat from food produced in fields of mono crops too, ireland imports millions of tonnes of animal feed every year.

    bit of a pointless discussion anyway as we wont be stopping the intensive farming of animals any time soon but there's no getting around the fact that animal farming has far more impact on land used than farming plants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Theres far more to food than calories.

    If its just calories youre concerned about, we should all be eating some U235.

    20million calories per gram!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i don't eat beef anyway and i bet i'd beat you in an arm wrestle 😬



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,885 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    If the Greens get their way we'll soon not be allowed to laugh at them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭j2


    Wait until you find out that everything "green" is also backed up by a long chain of fossil fuel use.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    The biggest problem all agriculture is facing is the destruction of our top soil.

    We need about a ton of food a year to sustain a healthy human being.

    BUT

    We are creating about 10 tonnes of dead eroding soil to achieve that. Clearly we are going out of business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    I am probably farming longer than you have lived and to be honest slurry would be a very apt description of the above post.

    Fert. is 700 to 900 a ton so its unlikely people are gonna spread it and see it being washed away.Usage of it in Ireland has declined significantly over the past decade and we actually need less than other countries per acre/hectare as our soil and climate is much more suitable for growing grass (and it certain parts cereal crops) than a lot of the world.Irish grass and corn yields are pretty decent compared to much of the world.


    The slurry ban ?Care to expand on your issue with that ?


    I can assure you cattle and sheep are not "pumped " full of whatever.Antibiotic use is strictly regulated in this country and meat is regularly tested for residue.Anti microbials are almost impossible to get a script for.All antibiotic sales are through a registered premises and only given on the production of a vet. script.This will be an individual animal specific script.Routine dry cow tubing is gone without vet script and even wormers are becoming much more tightly regulated.


    If you wish to comment on a topic at least have a little knowledge.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    It takes 700 million years to get 10 million calories so I'll pass.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Baasterd


    Yes spot on, beef fat if from grass fed cattle is on many levels a lot better for you than processed vegetable oil...but mention frying anything in dripping to people and they think your feeding them a heart attack, there is a huge amount of work to be done to undo the low fat, high sugar (salt) lobby that still imprinted on many.

    Another great thing about frying in dripping is the crap settles to the bottom so you just let the fat solidify and scrap off the good stuff and leave the residue, rapeseed oil seems to taint faster. I personally think it adds a lovely flavour to chips but my 5yr old immediately sniffed out the difference ha... work to be done as I said!



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Baasterd


    GiGo applies in food as much as data right...garbage in, garbage out....with you on the insects view!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    What was wrong with what iv said?

    If you’ve been around as long as you say then you’ll surely notice the alarming decline in biodiversity in this country.

    Im mid thirtys & even i have seen it since my childhood.

    But I look forward to absolutely tearing this apart.

    Chemical Fert is spread from January, When the country is in its wettest season. A fair portion of it gets washed away when it rains from that time until about now in April. That’s alot of rain falling on the land.

    The slurry ban problem is its closed in October till January. You could have brilliant weather in those months but can’t spread.

    What happens In January is every farm in the country unleashes a tsunami of it onto the land no matter the weather. It gets washed away due to the Rain over the coming weeks month’s and ends up in every river & stream.

    Rather than it being put on gradually bit by bit from October to January. There has to be better way of doing it than the current system.

    Its my opinion that we still use far too much antibiotics or medications on our Animals. Iv worked on large scale dairy’s, beef & tillage.

    We didnt have it for thousand’s of year’s and we got to where we are today. Do you think the use of these will get us to another hundred year’s even?

    Only for our climate our agricultural practice’s in this country would have the land looking like Arizona.

    Our non brittle environment (humidity throughout the year) helps nature cover up our damage no matter how bad we damage the land.

    We need a complete paradigm shift in agriculture because the only people making money from it aren’t farmer’s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Nonsense

    Animals produce food, wool, leather, huge amount of jobs.

    They eat the grass, there poop fertilises the ground & new plants grow or the grasses already there continue growing again.

    Growing plants Pulling carbon out of the atmosphere.

    over two thirds of the worlds land can only sustain people through animal’s.

    Zoom out on google maps, you can see 2/3rds of the Earth is turning to desert because we don’t have enough animals to graze the land and stop plants dying leading to bare ground that causes droughts which then cause’s the deserts.

    We need animals back on the land before it’s too late.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭thinkabouit



    A must watch. Just common sense



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,496 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Zoom out on google maps, you can see 2/3rds of the Earth is turning to desert because we don’t have enough animals to graze the land and stop plants dying leading to bare ground that causes droughts which then cause’s the deserts.

    Good grief.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I didn't realise jobs and leather were good for the planet and 2/3 of the earth was turning into desert lol



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