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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Building houses yes, but it isnt going to happen fast enough.

    I think thats the issue. How do we bridge the gap over the next 5 years?

    Another option is to provide cost rentals to key workers.

    Im more than happy for some of that extra tax take to fund afforable housing for key workers, rather than funding endless social welfare houses across the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭selassie


    If money was no issue why couldn't we import 10000s of construction workers like the middle east. Treat them well,make it easy to become full time citizens, and easy to bring their families over.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What does the average price matter? All of Dublin, min 3 beds, max price €350k = 376 results on myhome.ie right now.

    There are affordable houses in Dublin.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Those 10000s of construction workers in the middle east don't get treated well and don't get to bring their families over...helps the middle east oil rich countries keep the costs down unfortunately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    we were comparing average prices across counties and the fact that Dublin is much more expensive than everyehere else and so public sector key workers require some help to live in the capital.

    376 houses up to 350k is a start, but its buttons for a city with 1.5 million population in the 4 boroughs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    We could use sone of the 100,000 Asylum seekers and refugees we have in the country.

    Thats a larger population than Galway or Limerick city....if we cant find a few thousand at least, id be very suprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Even in my company we get an allowance for living in Dublin.

    It always has and always will be more expensive to live in Dublin and most companies with offices in other parts of the country too recognize this.

    The problem now is that the gap has gotten even worse. And its not just housing that is more expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The only factor should be commute time to the school - pick a commute radius from a school in south dub for example and then look at house prices within an hour commute or so

    The focus on exclusively south Dublin is just myopic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    I think the gap might be closing. I see a rural Galway village, 4 bed houses in a nice but not fancy estate going for 600k. That was never the case before now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    That's the story of the guy who was attacked with a circular saw, isn't it? I find it rather hard to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭fliball123


    All workers are essential we all pay into the system we all need housing teachers and the public service are paid 20% more than the private sector already. If the government want to do something to help with high costs maybe instead paying teachers more they should use this money and cut Income tax for everyone and get off their holes and build more using the massive amount of corpo tax they are taking in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    The idea of "essential workers" is one of the many regrettable hangovers form the lockdowns. To me, it's a moniker used by people who want to give themselves a pat on the back to feel more important than they are. The reality is, a job is essential depending on context. A waste refuse worker is filling an essential role if we want the sewers to continue working, but I've never heard such men referred to as being key workers. Perhaps it's because they didn't make tiktok dance videos?**

    Regarding the paying of teachers more money to cover the cost of rentals, well that's just going to be inflationary. The market is inflated because it's been and is being pumped full of funny-money.

    The reality is, we're not going to get out of this crisis without confronting some seriously controversial matters.


    **sorry, I couldn't resist :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Considering the below EZ core inflation figures released today, any predictions for when the ECB will stop hiking?


    EURO ZONE CORE CPI RISES TO ALL-TIME HIGH OF 5.7% Y/Y IN MARCH





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,951 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It's not all back patting and inflating one's ego, there was a flip side to the 'essential worker' thing too. While all of my friends and family worked remotely from home during the pandemic, we all had to come into work despite the apparent danger of the situation.

    Fairly sure bin men and waste collection was considered essential work during the pandemic..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭Villa05


    The issue in Limerick is availability and consequently price.

    Note the ministers response to the issue below in that the new employees at eli lily will be living in the area already. Really! Has he been across the road and asked Regeneron

    Is this FG way of saying, good new jobs are only open to persons with secure housing in another attempt to pull up the ladder to new entrants

    What is it we hear about every fdi job bringing another 2 to 3 spin off jobs. Where will they live

    The basic functioning of the economy is being put at risk by a government that has money coming out of its ears from this very source and it can't build some homes for those that generate it. Not only that, but also consistently object to new housing in most areas. The state is probably the largest land and building holder in the State also

    How can they be so incompetent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    If ever I saw a story where I dont think im getting the whole story that would be one :)

    A surgeon leaving the operating theater. A solicitor advising him not to pay the rent.

    hmmmmmm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭ingo1984


    Philip lane stated a few months ago that they'll keep raising rates until the rates are higher than the inflation rate and they'll hold rates at that rate for some time so that inflation doesn't take off again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    8 months of non payment of rent by surgeon to old man. Refers to him as Tomas in a very even tone and then completely loses it when Tomas goes for him. Tomas, "I am mad. I'm mad at you".

    Tomas is very lucky he didn't cut the surgeon's fingers.

    Looks like Tomas was driven around the bend and has lost it altogether. The Gardai should have intervened months before hand.

    It's a civil matter is not sufficient. It's not the 1800s, a well paid doctor refusing to pay rent should be turfed out if he continues to refuse to pay rent IMHO and the situation of mad Tomas wielding a circular saw should never have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Its a precendent, not intended to be myopic. But if you were to introduce some form of salary weighting for public sector roles, you have to create a border somewhere.

    Whether its South Dublin, County Dublin or Greater Dublin, or anywhere else.

    But a border would need to be created, as they do in London.



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  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lawyers were on the essential worker list during Covid. So were accountants and bankers. You'd be hard pressed to find a job that wasn't somehow essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Well the tenant being a medical professional appears to check out.

    Anyone switching current account manually from UB or Kbc in the last few months will understand that it's an incredibly tedious process and prone to error. The landlord appears to admit to changing accounts.

    The landlord does not appear to be the sharpest tool in the box if you pardon the pun.

    Not familiar with legal advise, but tenant story does appear plausible, while common sense would tell you to have very little to do with such a landlord.

    Several criminal offences on video here, how this can be described as a civil matter is puzzling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Indeed. Tax cuts would be another option.

    I dont think introducing a weighting salary is the only option.

    I guess the advantage of weighting is that it targets the areas where cost of living is highest.

    As mentioned earlier, a teacher on 45k in Mayo doesnt have the same living costs as a teacher on the same salary in South Dublin.

    You could argue reasonably that the 45k teacher in Mayo doesnt need extra money, since their rent and essential costs are affordable.

    But if all the teachers in South Dublin are paying triple the rent vs all the Mayo teachers & as a result the South Dublin teachers are mostly leaving the profession, we would need to do something to support them to stay in their roles.

    Salary Weighting is an obvious option.

    I do agree with you that the govt need to build more houses and more houses in South Dublin would pull those rents down and perhaps the Weighting wouldnt be needed anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If the state start paying top up salaries to Dublin based workers then they are inflating Dublin property/rent prices directly, and the Dublin salary differential will have to keep increasing over time ad infinitum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There is some inflationary pressure, sure. But leaving things as they are isnt an option.

    The key solution is obviously building more stock, but I would like to see affordable homes schemes introduced, to buy and to rent, that are aimed at key workers.

    Apartment Complex A has a significant percentage of homes that are state owned and are available as cost rental or on help to buy/shared equity scheme, but you dont qualify by being on the dole or being on a low salary, you qualify only through being a key worker.

    Nurse, Teacher, Refuse collector, etc.

    Another approach not linked to Salary Weighting, but it does require the Govt to build and invest, and not just to invest in the usual suspects - the no and the low paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭SwimClub


    My question would be whether Thomas engineered the unpaid rent situation by closing his bank account because he needed to sell the place.

    He raised the circular saw up after the tenant made a sudden movement toward him in response to being told to go to hell, you see the tenants right arm (or something) flash into shot at that point, Thomas then swings the saw toward him in what looks to me like a warning to get back and threatens him.

    Definitely end of his tether stuff, I wonder if the old guy knew that the supposedly legal 6 months notice would work would things have ended up as they did or is it all the media attention over the eviction ban that made him think he would never get his place back without trying to evict them himself. He might desperately need the money which drove him over the edge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,999 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The surgeon was on the news last night. He had continued to pay the rent into the bank account but the landlord had changed his bank and forgot to tell the tenant.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes it is an option to leave payments as they are, eventually prices will fall and supply will improve. Weighting will not be something the Government will be able to row back on once it is introduced and it will just sow division between those who get it, and those who don’t but feel they deserve to. Everyone knows, and understands why there is a difference in costs between rural areas and Dublin, if you choose to live in Dublin, then you accept that difference.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,999 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Lack of construction workers is not the problem. Lack of money is not the problem. Bureacracy and NIMBY-ism are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    All of those are part of the problem, among other things. There is no one problem here.



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