Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

So include pay for extra contract work undertaken as an extra employment? Like a second part time job. Great idea. Everyone should get one of those so their primary employer can really sh1te on them altogether in terms of remuneration.

You seem to be confused on the difference between the full time/ part time status of a contract and the permanency or otherwise of a contract.

This discussion was about teachers getting part time contracts, partial hours contracts, resulting in them getting a partial salary.

You’re now banging on about the lack of permanency for those who are covering career breaks, like you’ve discovered some hidden gotcha. Unfortunately for you, you’re talking about a different issue, which has nothing to do with the salary that teachers get.

So why did you bring up career breaks when it’s nothing to do with this issue?

HAP is the solution here(low paid) as it is for all workers.

Principals aren't splitting hours for the craic. If they split roles, it's because they have to split them, because they can't get the Maths and Physics person, for example, so they take the Maths or the Physics person. It's a red herring, nothing to do with the argument about salaries for newly qualified teachers, but you couldn't resist crowbarring it into the discussion, presumably because of some deep jealousy of this fairly basic HR measure, one that is not uncommon in lots of large organisations, large banks, financial institutions, tech MNCs. It's a limited measure, that requires Board approval, and is probably the only thing that is keeping newly qualified teachers from leaving the career completely.

But once you had your fun, that's the important thing.

Take the career break away, and the teachers head for Dubai and don't come back to Ireland, and don't come back to teaching.

Try thinking strategically.

About 20 years ago I was a delegate at a union conference. There was a harmless sounding motion calling for extended flexi-time bands (which have since been implemented). It seemed a no-brainer but there was a speaker against. After the meeting was over I had a chat with him inquiring why he was opposed, and he said:

"The civil service is going to turn into a hobby job for married women".

Well of course I was shocked and stunned and appalled, but really was he wrong? How is anyone supposed to live on a CO salary without the support of parents or a much higher earning spouse? EOs are going the same way. HEOs are going the same way, ffs..

This is what successive "pay deals" have delivered - a gradual but very real erosion of living standards.

Scott free. Explain if you wouldn't mind. They paid taxes...no?

Which older generation? I've got nothing. I expect nothing.

I work very hard. I'm lucky enough to have a roof over our head and food on the table. Good food.

Before anyone says Boomer or any such sort, I'm not.

Sick and tired of excuses. Yes we can do more and I'm willing to pay if it's done properly.

I remember a time when soap boxing was frowned upon…now it’s ignored because it’s generating desperately needed traffic.