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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    john wick is the Baba Yaga....hes the one they sent to kill the bogey man....and three men in a bar....with a pencil...🤐


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Daily trivia: The US now has it's very own T-90, courtesy of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cost and customer spec specific tanks might be the reason,

    I'm pretty sure the Canadians ran a competition to choose their tanks back in the late 80s which led to the leopard been chosen,

    The plan was to replace the old lepoards tanks with Strykers vehicles fitted with 105mm main tank guns ,but the Strykers didn't fare well in Afghanistan due to lack of protection,the Canadians then went with 2nd hand leopards 2 from the Dutch,if I remember correctly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭zv2


    What the hell is this? (Remotely controlled explosion?)


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seems everyone is claiming responsibility for the explosion, mines from the Ukrainans, Wagner artillery and an a Russian glide bomb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭zv2


    It seems the detonation happened in the cellar judging by the vertical plume.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks that way, wonder if it was an ammo dump, going by the size of the explosion,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Will be interesting to see how these Russia/China talks go in 2 days time, a lot of eyes shifting to the Pacific.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    FYI, the E4-B "Doomsday Plane" is taxiing out at Mildenhall at the moment. Worth looking up its characteristics.

    Screenshot_20230414-210717_Chrome.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Think I recall reading that their "Top Secret" is not really the highest level secrets, that they have all kinds of other levels above that for far more sensitive stuff (The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner is in my mind as source of this) and actually many people (or more than you would expect...) will be accessing such "Top Secret" material.

    What I have read in media stories about the leak is all sensitive information US obtains on (or is perhaps given by) allies, or things it learns about enemies (e.g. Russia) etc. They (IMO) don't seem to be careful enough with that stuff.

    The latter is especially bad, and could get people killed and then make it less likely anyone in such places will help them in future (if that is how they got the information).

    I think there was details of secret/high level "discussions"/decision making in Russia (and Egypt). If some unfortunate in either of those countries gets fingered for giving the US material, he or she could be disappeared...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Mick Wallace with the latest Socialist position updated on twitter.


    China really great, Taiwan is part of China, Democracy bad. Supporting Ukraine is really bad.


    The Left need to clean house and decide if they are going to be on the side of democracy or going to remaining backers of every Communist authoritarian butcher regime and any one who is opposed to the West, including the Comrade in the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Feels like absolutely nothing happening the last week or so apart from Russia's slow creep in Bakhmut.

    I don't know what's more surprising the fact they're still hanging on in mid April or the fact Russia's take over of the city has been so consistently slow. No major breakthroughs or collapses but rarely do they stall completely.

    The railway station has now fallen so the pocket gets smaller. Looks like only a matter of time really. Hopefully the counter attack starts before it falls. The weather forecasts are starting to improve I'd imagine if May is dry we'll see something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like they now control something like 80% of bakhmut and creeping forward, while it's primarily being used as a meat grinder,both sides Ukrainian and Russian are loosing valuable men and equipment,

    At this point it might be worth saying right we've done our job we've weakened the Russians,let them have What's left of the city and we will return in a few months and liberate the city once and for all ,



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Seems like Prigozhin is advising Russia to hold what it has and declare victory, stating they’ve grabbed a substantial part of Ukraine and killed or forced to flee many Ukrainian men (no mention of worse stats for Russians).

    'The people are already looking for someone to blame for the fact that we are not the strongest army in the world, and in this situation they will look for 'the scapegoat'.'

    Looks to me he wants an upgrade from chef to dictator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It would almost make sense anywhere else in the world,but we know putin is still hoping to take the whole of Ukraine or the absolute majority of their territory,

    Come the summer Ukrainian offensive that occupied territories are going to be liberated and I can't see Russia coming back to try again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Deputy Minister of Defense Hanna Maliar has denied Russian fakes and noted that the losses of Russians in Bakhmut are many times higher, there are days when the difference reaches 10 times.

    https://ukranews.com/en/news/927221-russians-losses-in-bakhmut-many-times-higher-than-ukrainians-there-are-days-when-difference-reaches

    The trouble with the bravado of 'Bakhmut holds' is that the people saying it aren't those doing the dying. Two young US volunteers died there a few days ago. If the Ukrainians are killing 350 Orcs a day there, 50 Ukrainians are also dying - per day.

    I'm not sure a meat-grinder, even running at 7:1, is as effective as having an extra 3,000+ experienced troops for the offensive. In a Telegram channel I saw a comment from an AFU fighter who sounded very dejected about being in Bakhmut, with a sharp criticism for management that they didn't tell them that Orc special forces had been unleashed on them, the inference being they were being more effective in killing Ukrainians and a far tougher opponent than they had been used to.

    It's also not helping that the Orcs have now gotten ECM assets that are rendering commercial DJI drones inopperable as well as doing some extensive GPS signal jamming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    But if Ukraine withdraw from bakhmut, they loose the 10:1 advantage. So Russia advance to the next town/city and start destroying it and the ratio drops. So Ukraine withdraw from there and rinse and repeat?

    this-far-no-further.jpg

    Ukraine may loose 3k as you have stated, but 30k less Russians may be worth it (certainly not for us to decide) Not to mention the advantage ratio wise must extend to Russian equipment losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    From the recent leaks:

    "One leaked document, quoted by the Washington Post, said the Ukrainian army faced challenges in massing troops, equipment and ammunition, and could fall well short of its original goals for an expected counter-offensive. The document warned that only modest territorial gains could be achieved in Russian-occupied areas"


    Russian morale will soar while doubt and uncertainty will surely enter Ukrainian military personnel. This sounds like a failure before it even begins. Ukraine may well abandon this idea and instead send Zelinksy out with the bowl around Europe to try build up a bigger better equipped force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    7-1 /10- 1 is pure propaganda both sides losing thousands in bakhmut,but yet the Russians now control the majority of bakhmut something like 80%+ ,

    Despite the various claims on here but ukraine aren't losing the same as the Russians but yet they are losing ground which suggests that the Ukrainans in bakhmut have been severely depleted despite being re-enforced twice recently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Orcs altered many of the original documents in the leak, and likely fabricated ones that weren't leaked and inserted them in the overall information flow. It's the age old trick of inserting false information into a set of less important true information in the hope no one notices and accepts the false information as being true, by association.

    But you knew that.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    One thing about the recent intelligence leak's losses were at 375,000 killed and a similar number of injured and incapacitated, which suggests both sides are around 185,000 killed ,

    While some one did a fairly amateur job trying to reduce Russian losses on one ,the original documents show high losses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    I don't know this. Do you have a link to this information?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think you are making a wrong assumption: The loss of ground may not be due to an equal loss of forces but a gradual retreat when a greater loss of forces would be required to hold. The numerical superiority is the problem, especially since a significant fraction of them are probably now parratroopers, not conscripts and convict cannon fodder.

    - Ukrainian intelligence had data on enemy numbers at the outset of the war. What are these numbers now?

    - The number of the enemy forces involved – in the territory of Ukraine and around it – is slightly more than 350,000 - Commander of the Ukrainian Army’s Joint Forces, Lieutenant General Serhiy Naiev

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3673603-serhiy-naiev-joint-forces-commander.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Holding Russians where they are prevents more war crimes and destruction on the next city

    So why not keep hold especially when defending is less costly than for the aggressor

    It seems the Russians have re-energised it forces with reinforcements hope they will end up the same way as its previous lot.

    I am sceptical of the exhaustion, low morale and short of weapons touted by propaganda on Russians forces they still seem better resourced unfortunately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If Ukraine was acting the same as Russian meat grinder tactics that would be a correct assumption. They retreat back a street to prevent being overrun vs the Russians who will be shot if they retreat. You can see how loosing ground or a tactical retreat can loose ground while not loosing troops.


    Ukraine and Wagner both dismiss the 80% claim, so I guess you're going on the Russian figure?



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