Nvidia RTX Discussion

Lumen · 11-01-2023 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094036#Comment_120094036

AFAIK you can't tell whether a game is CPU limited by looking at the all-cores utilisation, but you can by looking at utilisation of individual cores or the GPU utilisation (if it's less than 100% then there's a CPU bottleneck or you're in a cut scene or menu). Happy to be corrected.

TheChrisD · 11-01-2023 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086572#Comment_120086572

So after arriving in a German export centre in the wee hours of Saturday morning, and seemingly getting stuck there for the longest time; it's suddenly jumped to having arrived in the D12 parcel hub this mid-morning. So I suspect it'll be arriving here tomorrow.

Dcully · 11-01-2023 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094369#Comment_120094369

Indeed plus taking a look at that bottleneck calculator lumen linked its actually pretty accurate when i calculated with my hardware and 15 or so games i selected, results were pretty close to the mark from what the results suggested and what im experiencing per game.

A few interesting ones RDR2 "cpu and gpu should work great together" which is true as i no issues running this high settings butter smooth.

Elden ring was the only game that said the 1080ti was too weak for the CPU but runs great for me.

Most results showed anything from a slight CPU bottleneck to up to as much as 50% in some games apart from Elden Ring i just mentioned.

To be fair the rig is holding up well, i run BF 2042 and Hell let Loose at 90fps locked anyways because i like a whisper quiet PC and both were getting to the point that i would call noisey at close to 144fps. although that was rare in 2042 but the net result with unlocked frames was a noisey PC.

Locked at 90fps PC in those games PC is still whisper quiet and doesnt seem to be a bottleneck either, ofcourse 1444 fps is a different story in those games.

I feel there is still plenty of life in this thing yet, i could change my mind next week and grab a whole new rig but i am tempted to go with new gear minus a GPU and sit to see if prices of the 4070TI drop or the AMD cards,seems a shrewd move to me.

@Cordell seems you were spot on, thanks all for input, just realised i have have gone OT with this thread sorry.

jonski · 11-01-2023 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094416#Comment_120094416

It's a bit disappointing to pay €16.99 for DHL and tracking only to find out it's handed off to An Post and stays off radar for a few days . Not a deal breaker but when you are handing out big bucks for a product you'd like to be able to guage where it is .

Lumen · 11-01-2023 05:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094566#Comment_120094566

FWIW I have exactly this situation with DHL/An Post.

It arrived in Ireland 6 January, did the whole customs charges thing immediately and then it sat going nowhere for 5 days.

The last two status updates on the An Post site are:

06 January 2023 15:59 Custom charges have been paid. Your item will be processed and delivered to you as soon as possible. Please hold tight while we work through high volumes.

11 January 2023 11:28 We have your post in DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12

Icyseanfitz · 11-01-2023 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094369#Comment_120094369

how are you finding the 7900xt?

jonski · 13-01-2023 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094416#Comment_120094416

So I placed the order on Sunday and on Monday morning it went live and showed DHL collecting it . Then after midnight and intot he early hours of Tuesday morning it had left DHL on the way to destination . Nothing more until 19:35 this evening when it showed up again on tracking in An Post . I reckon I should have it Monday morning hopefully .

K.O.Kiki · 21-03-2023 05:32PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiGB5uAYKAg

Some crazy technology on display.

wotzgoingon · 10-04-2023 05:09PM

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wotzgoingon · 10-04-2023 05:24PM

3070 beating by Rx 6800 non XT in most titles even in ray traced games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7kFgHe21k

Lumen · 10-04-2023 05:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462064#Comment_120462064

I don't think it's ever made sense to play games at ultra settings on the 3070. It was a solid mid-range card 3 years ago.

Icyseanfitz · 10-04-2023 10:21PM

I mean it's not really that surprising when the 6800xt has always been seen as better at pure performance than a 3080. Doesn't help that Nvidia always cripple their mid and low tier (hell even high tier now) cards with crap amounts of vram.

wotzgoingon · 10-04-2023 10:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120463141#Comment_120463141

They do it on purpose. Great performance at launch but hold onto a card a few years and performance is shít. It's so you go out and buy another Nvidia card every generation.

Icyseanfitz · 11-04-2023 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120463203#Comment_120463203

Yeah it's all about built in obsolescence these days with Nvidia, unless you buy something like a 4090. Tbh I'd like to buy an Nvidia card for dlss but the price to performance is just shocking with the 4*** series.

Slutmonkey57b · 12-04-2023 07:59AM

I don't get the point of the various upscale technologies tbh. You're adding visual quality in some areas while sacrificing it in the form of glitches, artifacts, and inconsistency. "80% of the time it looks almost as good"... I'll take increased draw distances and not having textures popping in and out every day.

Icyseanfitz · 12-04-2023 09:14AM

I'll be honest a lot of the games I've tried with fsr and dlss in (balance/quality settings) have been so close to native 4k I can barely tell the difference.

Icyseanfitz · 12-04-2023 05:52PM

4070 reviews are in +/- 2% of a 3080 for msrp of $600, dlss 3 makes it more appealing vs the 3* gpus (probably why thats locked to the 4*s imo). What will that msrp look like here? (700-800), a 6950xt can be got for less than 700 new right now so bar dlss3 it really isnt looking that great.

wotzgoingon · 12-04-2023 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120470204#Comment_120470204

The 6950 XT is way better but fan boiz. So we know which one everyone will go for.

Icyseanfitz · 12-04-2023 06:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120470273#Comment_120470273

id honestly go for a 4*** series card right now for dlss3 if prices weren't so stupid, across the board amds cards are creeping down (7900xt for around 850 and 7900xtx for around 1100), if they get fsr 3 out and its widely supported people would be mad not to look at them.

Craftylee · 12-04-2023 07:20PM

For those looking to purchase a 4070 tomorrow (release day) - which retailer are folks planning to use? Seems buying from the UK now is a no-go.I was looking at caseking.de

Icyseanfitz · 12-04-2023 08:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120470553#Comment_120470553

No judgement here but honestly why are you looking to buy a 4070 in comparison to competing cards (6800xt or 6950xt probably 7900xt with eu pricing)? Ray tracing? Dlss3? i use either https://www.hagglezon.com/ or https://geizhals.eu/ to find the best prices on anything really, some german stores are iffy about shipping ireland though.

deceit · 13-04-2023 11:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120470820#Comment_120470820

I think the 7900xtx will finally be what pulls me away from Nvidia and back to Amd. I've been running Nvidia primarily since 980 ti but this generation when I upgrade my 3080 ti I will switch back to AMD. The nvidia tax is just not worth it. With things getting ever more expensive I will hold cards longer now and that would justify AMD more with their fine wine drivers that always seem to put their cards ahead longer term once they mature.

Icyseanfitz · 13-04-2023 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472353#Comment_120472353

Yeah when you look at how well amds stuff from last gen are doing now they do look like a good investment for a bit of future proofing. It will be interesting to see whether AMD take the open goal left for their 7800xt now.

K.O.Kiki · 13-04-2023 07:15PM

On-topic of the whole "Nvidia gimped us on VRAM" debate:

The 4070 has 2Gb more VRAM than the 3080.

Yet in most titles, it seems to only outperform it at 1080p, and in 4K it is outperformed by the older GPU - the main outlier in testing seeming to be TechSpot/HardwareUnboxed (same data).

Lumen · 13-04-2023 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474410#Comment_120474410

The original 3080 had 10GB. The later one had 12GB, right?

I've read a lot of threads on VRAM recently and I'm not convinced that 12GB is going to be a problem. There's a theory that since most AAA games are console ports, there is an upper limit of VRAM required by unoptimised console ports until the next gen of consoles comes along, which is...2027? But I suppose game devs would know.

Regardless, if possible Nvidia should just everything from 4060-4080 16GB to stop the arguments. It's not like VRAM is that expensive, although ISTR that in the 30 series there was some architectural excuse for weird VRAM amounts.

_CreeD_ · 14-04-2023 02:37PM

Any developer worth their salt will have higher quality/resolution textures than appear in the console port, downgrade and compress for there and then have those and the higher quality assets as options in the PC port. So while I think the current console gen ram/vram is a reasonable bar for mid-level detail settings it won't hold beyond there. Also RT can be quite memory intensive and is much more likely to be available and utilised on a PC version, ditto apparently for DLSS (and I'm presuming FSR).

Worth considering also though is that the 3080 12GB has a 384bit wide memory bus, the 4070 is half that at 192. This could be part of the reason for those weird results (tbh I've not looked at the reviews so don't have a lot of detail here, just a quick spec lookup while replying).

NVIDIA's 30x0 VRAM was always going to be a problem, that was the only reason I went with a 3090 back then which gave 24GB of overkill but I knew 12GB just was never going to be enough beyond a year or 2 if you want to run that card at it's then intended 'Ultra' setting level for games. I would say this generation 16GB is the most realistic minimum on a 4k/RT capable card you should consider. 24GB is pure comfort zone for longevity.