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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    When the cable locks on the car socket would it tell the car to charge at 3.3? Don't they do a kind of handshake? Maybe I'm completely wrong but I do know it's the car that decides what rate to charge at. Can you reduce the charge rate via the car?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    If connected properly it should negotiate a rate <20A and nothing should trip.

    Why would you put yourself in this position though? There cant be any major difference in price between a 20A cable and a 32A cable that would warrant hobbling your charge point for years to come. You have a 32A charge point, so utilise it, would be my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Soarer


    What I outlined above is what I currently have.

    I've a 32A Rolec charger that has a 20A cable and plug that I had tethered to it to suit the Volvo PHEV I had.

    I'm going to cut the head off the cable that came with the Ioniq and tether that to it in the next week or so.

    but in the meantime, instead of using the granny cable, I'm wondering if I could use the current sustem without blowing **** up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Are Volvo not type 2 same as the Ioniq?

    Sorry I get you now, you're afraid the Ioniq will hare off charging at 6.6 and melt the cable, I'd plug it in and see what happens 💥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Snopake


    Hi All, hoping for some advice on how to best approach this.

    I currently have a 32amp Rolec tethered charger with a type 1 cable. I will be changing the current car (Leaf) for one with a type 2 connection and I’m wondering how to best manage this.

    I have found a tethered cable I can buy on a uk site which I think should be approx €150 delivered and I could get an electrician to swap for me.

    Another option I was thinking of was to use the Ev charger grant as it wasn’t available when I first got mine installed. The first option would likely cost me over €200 (materials plus installation). If I could get a new charger installed for circa €800 that would work out equal cost wise.


    Is there an option I haven’t considered? I’m very happy with the current rolec charger, no issues in 5 years so not dying to change it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I have one of these adaptors that you can have for €80 if you want it. Keeps your Rolec intact, no need for an electrician, and you have the option of charging type 1 or type 2 cars.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Snopake


    Thanks for the offer, I could have probably done with this previously for visiting places but as a day to day would be too finicky for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Soarer


    No problemo.

    There's nothing finicky about it though. It stays connected to your charger all the time, and just plug it into the car as you normally would.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Anyone any insight to update the Wallbox charger. This update has been sitting there for months now but fails everything.

    IMG_8053.jpeg IMG_8052.jpeg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭cython


    I've a Pulsar Plus myself but never had any issue with updating it. I'd get on to their support, I've found them pretty responsive with a different issue I've been having around a recurring error state and red halo (PEN fault, from reading online).

    They advised a software restore initially but it recurree, and are now shipping a replacement unit once I get the installer back (they've no personnel to support this themselves in Ireland) to check and conduct a replacement if they authorise same (via phone at the time). Now to see how engaged the installer is with this, though they are a Wallbox partner....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    How would it be finicky? You put it on the end of your type 1 cable and leave it on all sorted for 80 blips, bargain 👌



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I was in the same situation last year with 2 differences.

    1. I was keeping a type 1 Leaf

    2. I heard Tesla don't take kindly to type 1 - type 2 adaptors.

    My rolec was installed pre-grant. I considered just changing the cable, but I decided to replace the whole unit because they are the least reliable unit on the market imo and I wanted a smart charger with future proof solar connectivity.

    Installers wanted 12-1400 for the likes of a basic wallbox install. All he wiring was in place and the only addition would be an isolator....but installers are just ripping people off. They can do this because there is no shortage of work. One crowd wanted me to have the tails done and that would require earth rod an bonding at a cost of 1-2k. All to "save" the elusive 600.

    Balls to that. I ordered a Hypervolt 2.0 from the UK with VAT deducted and it cost around 500 delivered. Killed the power to the Rolec and installed the new unit myself. I registered it with HV the same as an installer would and its a great unit. I ordered an adapter which I can use to charge the Leaf, but mostly use the granny charger on an outdoor socket because we can fully charge it on night rate that way.

    The adapter suggested earlier is the cheapest solution. I wouldn't rule it out. The handy part about the one listed is it clicks into place. The are shorter versions which look just like a block extension with no visible cables. My issue with these is it acts as leverage on your car socket.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    The installer that wanted you to upgrade the mains was diligent in pointing that out

    he’s also not permitted to do a car charger installation without the correct size cables in place

    they must also ensure that the earthing arrangement is correct and test and verify the installation

    what you have done is dangerous and could potentially be a fire hazard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Snopake


    What is needed to claim the grant? It’s not clear from looking online. Does it need to be claimed by an installer or can I claim it and buy charger myself?

    I got my first charger installed by a registered electrician for €150 so I’m not keen on giving an installer company a couple of hundred for less work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Only 1 installer mentioned the tails upgrade and that's fair enough. Most houses in the country would need the tails done and most likely the earth-rod and bonding too. The basic install price for a wallbox was €1400 without these extras....which the installer in question did not offer as a service despite them being a general domestic electric company. The money is in quick charger installs.

    Several others just quoted blind at between €1200 and as high as a shade under €1600.

    What I have done is no more dangerous than replace a socket in the house. Don't be hyperbolic. There was a charger in place already. A simple swap is actually safer, as the new unit is better built and safer as such. I would have added an isolator switch, but then that would have been considered a change in the circuit.

    Funny that the install only a couple of years ago was considered safe and now since the new grant came out, it's not. The installers are absolutely creaming it. Same thing will happen with solar next month. On top of the grant which the installers absorb as extra profit, the zero VAT will pocket them a couple of grand extra per install as quotes go up by 20-25%

    The installer looks after the grant, but you first need to apply via the SEAI website and give your details. After being accepted, you can get your quotes. The installers usually first ask if you have the grant in place. After all is done (assuming your house is up to current regs) you have all the paperwork submitted to SEAI and wait a couple of months for the €600 you were overcharged by the installer.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Best post in this thread by a country mile. Absolutely disgraceful what's going on, but as usual nothing is being done about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Did you read his post before turning on the faux outrage? The house wiring was deemed suitable pre grant and obviously was as it's still standing without a burnt hole in the roof, now because he undid three wires himself it's going to become the towering inferno, will you cop on for feck sake...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Is it OK to get my electrician to install the wall charger? Or does it have to be a registered installer or whatever. We've only just had our house fully re wired as we are renovating so hopefully we're good to go with regards to wiring and it won't be too big a job. Getting a 22kwh Zoe for our first electric car so on the lookout for what wall charger to get now.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Are you going for grant?

    It has to be a RECI. There is no SEAI list of approved installers like their insulation grants etx



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Going for the grant yeah. Yeah he's registered with RECI so that's grand. Thanks

    Wallbox Pulsar seems to be the job for the charger? Any better out there?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Make sure to apply beforehand.

    Is he supplying it or are you?

    EasyGo are supplying and fitting for €599 nett or grant so make sure your saving with your friend.

    Zappi, OHME or wallbox is what I’d choose if I was going smart/PV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    The grant covers supply and installation with Easygo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Snopake


    I saw on the installer grant form there is a question “is there already an existing charger in place”. Is this a disqualifier for the grant?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    If you got no grant then no. But it’s asked as I assume the RECI has to our in precautions for load. So load balancing or priority device etc



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    €599 after grant.

    Wallbox supply and fit.

    €799 for Zappi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Yes, you can charge with that no problem. The proximity pilot (PP) pin on the charging plug is there to tell both car and charger what the cable is rated for and it will only allow charge up to that amperage, in your case it's probably 16A.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    It wasn't fine pre grant, the electrician that installed that charger day one didn't do his job properly and should've upgraded the tails, installed an earth rod and upgraded the bonding. Nothing at all grant related, this has to do with safety and regulations.

    Look at it this way, that house is operating everything from a 10 sq cable. An Ev charger further than a few meters from the distribution board should have 10 sq feeding it imo. Showers these days must be wired in 10sq and your arguing that it's fine for everything in the house to run off the same size cable?

    I do agree though that installers are charging mad money for charger replacement where cables are already installed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The charger was installed on a priority switch with the electric shower, so no need to upgrade tails at the time. SAFE ELECTRIC are a joke! Their constant fiddling are a barrier to many safe upgrades and installations because there is so much red tape.

    Want an EV charger? Get the tails upgraded.

    Want the tails upgraded? Get an earth rod and bonding done.

    Still want the ev charger? Nah mate, your fuseboard needs to be upgraded for no other reason than it is 20 years old. Oh and you also need to have it moved because its under the stairs with a toilet and sink.

    Can we do it? No, you just need to pay an electrician a €150 call out fee to get a quote. But they're all too busy hoovering up ev and solar grant money to give you a price.


    Is there any wonder why people are starting to bypass the regs and do their own work?

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Yes I am. The house has run perfectly fine for two years on his existing tails, which I'm sure are still perfectly adequate. It's just the usual grant assisted gouging going on. Every cowboy and his horse have been installing 9kw showers since the 90s and not a word about it.



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