General Star Trek thread

breezy1985 · 05-04-2023 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444283#Comment_120444283

Ya because the newer Star Wars stuff is all top notch 🤣

AMKC · 05-04-2023 09:41PM

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Such an old fashioned way over thinking. What is it you do not want to pass onto him?

What if he came upto you tomorrow or in 5 or 10 years and Said he feels he is the wrong gender and wants to transition. What would you say or do then?

AMKC · 05-04-2023 09:44PM

So First Contact is on in Smith field Cinema this Sunday,

I am tempted to go see it again in the cinema but I seen it when it came out in 1998 with my brother in the cinema so kind of conflicted.

Superman in out in the cinema too for its 45th anniversery and I am tempted to go see that too as I have never experienced that in the cinema.

Evade · 05-04-2023 10:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446006#Comment_120446006

That's a bit of leap from a light-hearted joke.

Bobtheman · 06-04-2023 12:12AM

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Please don't bring the transgender debate into this. I'm sick of it. The percentages are tiny and we have a homeless crisis.

Star trek has been terribly disappointing for 20 years.

Discovery was too woke and too boring..

The previous two series voyager and enterprise were overall terrible

SNW is the only hope on the horizon

Bobtheman · 06-04-2023 12:14AM

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The original 1979 film was a joy. I saw it as a boy.

Bobtheman · 06-04-2023 12:15AM

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I agree totally.

Rawr · 06-04-2023 10:19AM

So, ever since I bought my ‘RITOS’ T-Shirt from the Star Trek webshop, I’ve occasionally gotten spam from them into my inbox. The spam most contained fairly inoffensive Trek branded tat. Nothing annoying, or worth buying, just ignorable stuff.

But then I got their First Contact Day email, and saw this:

Random character names from the movie in a generic font, and a Starfleet symbol at the end. What annoys me about this is the pure laziness of that. It barely makes sense as a Trek T-shirt, and without the symbol it’s just text. You could use dozens of other sources to make the same T-Shirt yourself and yet they’ll charge a premium for that. The blatant lack of effort just winds me up.

Also the text probably won’t last long. My RITOS t-shirt was illegible after far too few washes. Although I’m still hopeful that Trek show’s might get better, this kind of crap from the merchandising makes me concerned about how healthy the brand will remain.

TaurenDruid · 06-04-2023 02:01PM

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Jaysus. For a Star Trek fan, the message (it's been the one message since 1966!) seems to have been missed entirely...

pixelburp · 06-04-2023 02:16PM

Star Trek & Wars aren't mutually exclusive: I have enjoyed both franchises down the years in their own respective ways. Both have experienced a bit of a lull of late - and interestingly, both due to the same small clique of talent-challenged Hollywood colleagues with Abrams & Kurtzman ramming their "vision" come hell or high water.

Trek seems to be on an upward swing, however faltering, while Andor is increasingly looking like the exception proving the rule over Star Wars' own quality. Though Abrams isn't to blame for the whiff of rubbish off of Disney+ Star Wars - that'd be Dave Filoni suffocating his shows with his toybox approach.

And my god if there was ever a word I was far beyond sick of hearing / reading... ... it's "woke". .

Bobtheman · 06-04-2023 08:37PM

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Óh and it's you who determines that message is it? At the tíme nothing was discussed so ST was important but you didn't hear uhura whining about being an oppressed black women. She stood on her own abilities.

Nowadays everything is seen through race and gender. The individual seemingly has no agency or responsibility. That was not the message I took from 60s trek.

Don't get me wrong I'm in favour of gender quotos and positive discrimination but seemingly everything now must be seen through male vs females. White vs black etc

I will call you what you want to be called

But I won't pretend that a biological female is exactly the same as a transgender female.

I wont ask white males to apologise for everything. Look at our medicine. Our science etc.

The message of the 1960s should not be total victimhood.

A lot of white males are in abject poverty but seemingly they should still be thankful?!

Bobtheman · 06-04-2023 08:45PM

https://www.theonion.com/white-male-privilege-squandered-on-job-at-best-buy-1819576421

pixelburp · 07-04-2023 09:53AM

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Evade · 07-04-2023 10:47AM

As annoying as some find bringing up "woke" the counter complaining is just as annoying to me.

pixelburp · 07-04-2023 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451078#Comment_120451078

Fair, but it's such an overused word at this stage it's beyond a broken record or reflex. Scanning back through the thread it was a weird, OTT escalation that started the segue in the first place ... but I'm just so very, very sick of that word getting trotted out the moment anything black, female or vaguely inclusive even so much as politely coughs in the background.

Stark · 07-04-2023 02:04PM

Discovery is crap but the one thing it did right was to finally confirm after 50 years of Trek that every single LGBT human in existence hadn't been wiped out in some sort of uber-holocaust some time between the 21st and 22nd centuries. And while Gray was annoying as **** and I don't think anyone will disagree about that, there's absolutely no difference in representation terms between having say Paul Stamets on screen as it was to have Uhura on screen.

breezy1985 · 07-04-2023 03:13PM

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Star Trek had gay people. It's just they were all evil and from the Mirror Universe.

Looking back on it Dax and Worf was a crap story. There are hints throughout that she was very sexually adventurous but then ends up with that traditionalist bore.She could have worked as Star Treks first poly-amourus bisexual.

Grey was a missed opportunity. It's not all that progressive to have the trans character dating the non binary one and then taken in by the gay couple. Have the trans character date a known heterosexual character and have none of the crew bat an eyelid at it.

Evade · 07-04-2023 03:18PM

A lot of the time when it come to woke it's not the series itself but the ten million blog articles along the lines of "ZOMG! Star Trek Finally Has a <insert identity> and Her Are 50 Reasons Why That Matters." I've pretty much given up on al sci-fi sites because of that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451743#Comment_120451743

There's an internal consistency problem, which wouldn't be a first for STD, with someone like Gray in the Federation where medical technology has advanced to the point that... (I got a warning last time I went too specific on this point)

breezy1985 · 07-04-2023 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451935#Comment_120451935

Just try not reading the blogs.

If your sick of it you could also try not going on about it here. Pretty sure you are one of the ones usually starts these arguments.

As for sci-fi Camina Drummer was an open bisexual in a poly relationship with her I think 7 person crew. No one in world gave a sht and that's how it should be done.

corkie · 07-04-2023 03:47PM

Another show in Development??? for a revival. Didn't know it was even been considered?

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/star-trek-voyager-revival-development.html

Speaking of story, the Star Trek: Voyager revival will clearly need a very different premise than that of the original. To base the new series on the older heroes getting lost a second time in the Delta Quadrant or anywhere else would simply be laughable. We don’t know what that story will be just yet, but when we know, we’ll make sure you know.

Would that be of interest to anyone?

Stark · 07-04-2023 03:57PM

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I think we were just fortunate that "The Expanse" was niche so stayed off the gobshites' radar and we could all have fun discussing the actual show without exhausting discussions about "straight white male" quotas and the like.

Evade · 07-04-2023 04:04PM

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I've pretty much given up on all sci-fi sites because of that.

You could scroll up a dozen or so posts before blaming me for this one.

breezy1985 · 07-04-2023 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120452075#Comment_120452075

Certainly not blaming you for this one. Blaming you for many others.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120452010#Comment_120452010

That could just mean the possible 7of9 show or it could be balls like all the other shows "in development"

Bobtheman · 07-04-2023 05:07PM

My apologies for the rant on woke.

Exactly what series has definitely been approved?

breezy1985 · 07-04-2023 05:11PM

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Star Trek : Academy I think is the only definite one. It looks very likely to be a Disco spin off.

The rest are all "in development"

pixelburp · 07-04-2023 05:11PM

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The Expanse struggled to get 6 seasons out of its run, cos as Stark says, it stayed niche, staying out of the limelight of not just shítheads getting upset about things that don't effect them directly.

Thank you for reminding me we'll never get those final 3 books adapted though. Boo. Maybe more shítheads might have turned more heads to see what the fuss was about.

Evade · 07-04-2023 05:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120452148#Comment_120452148

And you always harp on about memberberries we all have our quirks, IDIC and all that.

breezy1985 · 07-04-2023 05:29PM

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The final 3 books are such a departure though that it would be stupid to make them now. Time is on our side with hose books.

07-04-2023 05:32PM

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It was also just well written.

Trek was always at its best when the morals were part of the story and not BE the story.

Ira Steven Behr is on record that it was a studio decision that there be no gay DS9 storylines and he's regretful that he didn't push it further

breezy1985 · 07-04-2023 05:37PM

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Ya Garak was "played gay" by Robinson and when Berman found out he found it far less disgusting to push a story of Garak practically grooming a young woman.

Berman also gave Kira a special uniform and Dax a push up bra. In Bermans defense Roddenberry would have definitely approved.

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