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Dairy Calves 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,225 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think cost will be the barrier as well. Air cargo is really limited to high value JIT transit a lot of the time.

    Loading and unloading will add to the cost. While crating might seem the solution to loading, when you unload you will need to bring a load of crates back again which have to be loaded empty into the returning plane

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Some wet Friday afternoon calculations.

    A Boeing 737 that carries 180 passenger's, can carry over 20 tonnes in freight spec, say 300 calves and the crate's for them. The average Ryanair fare in 2022 was 40 Euro, plus whatever they sell onboard, so 8000 per journey leg, of income, calves could probably be air freighted to Europe for 30 - 40 Euro if there was a reasonable turn around time, and some sort of a back load.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,225 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Passengers walk on and off a plane. Ryanair have a turn around time of about 40 minutes on planes. They have passengers nowadays checked into flight and standing on a stairs or at a door ready to board.

    The back load is the crates the calves came in, unless you are going to buy completely new crates every load. It takes about 30 minutes to load or unload a full load of fertlizer, 14 pallets.

    Ya you can speed it up by having an extra sets of crates that are cleaned and ready for reloading.

    Cannot see total cost being less than 150/calf if it goes ahead.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭tanko


    Have to keep checking that it’s not April fools day yet, such nonsense, they’ll be using drones to fly them over next.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    Derwin handles a lot of stock and has outlets for nearly everything with a mane and a tail. The man I was mentioned used to be a sheep dealer but quit them totally in the last few years and solely at horses now. It's a tough business to be and more of a way of life really with the level of effort involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    One thing I am assuming that would be another issue is the department vets on site in the airport to inspect the calves on arrival at their, detention pens and all the associated back up that would be need for checking calf passports. I know there would be no such facilities in Dublin airport and I would assume very few airports are set up on a constant basis to handle this sort of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Lios67


    Looking for a bit of advice, I want to sell calves tomorrow and haven’t got text regarding bvd. I checked icbf and showing negative. Is it ok to go to the mart without receiving the text. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Take a screenshot of your calves on icbf showing that they are negative on your phone.

    But I reckon you should be ok. The mart gets their info on calves through the system and icbf. It's not like they receive a text like you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Lios67




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Are you sure the marts get there info from icbf cause i had this problem last year and animal health Ireland are also involved in the process can not remember exactly who notifies mart



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Well they are getting it from some system. It flags up if they are not tested or positive.

    If I was @Lios67 I'd tell them tomorrow when the calves are being taken in and show them the screenshot and about the text. I'd be 99% if it's on icbf negative it's on the marts system.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Check animal eligiblity for a movement permit on agfood.if they are good to go your good to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Lios67




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,225 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Will exporters resume buying immediately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    The few I have left were collected late last night, so I'm assuming they're on the road today, if not already gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Friday I was told, that's the normal day for around here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    A local farmer told me yesterday of a big dairy farmer locally who loads calves into a cattle trailer soon enough after birth, drops them with other farmers with a few drums of biestings. Some of these calves would still be wet. No payment for calves until later in the year....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Some quare carryings-on around the country now, the New Zealand influence has scarred our proud dairy farming culture.

    That said those calves probably have a better chance where they're going, and the farmer knows it, better than a lot of other stories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    In reality it is a great system the dairy farmer should be giving the calves for free at the least ,considering what calves are making at the mart!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Yes it's a good idea BUT not legal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭cute geoge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    From 2005 onwards the minute large numbers of dairy ag students who are now today's farmers got indoctrinated to the booby calf system when out their on placement that dye was cast, now co-ops are bringing in over the top rules for 2024 to force the above to change their ways, but of course the 95% of dairy farmers who were doing their calves half right are now caught having to comply aswell, will the co-ops actually suspend milk supply from next year to lads who don't follow the rules is another hornets nest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    You suspend once and for one the marker stone is set, every one then knows it clear.

    Now the decisions are being made for the calves of next year. As a calf to beef farmer I hope that the beef sub index of sire is being considered not just picking of the DBI index



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,225 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The problem with calves leaving a farm too early and in situations like above is it encourages the wrong types to take a chance. The incidents over the last few years where significant dead calf numbers were found were in situations like described above.

    In the vast majority of cases it's grand however it's the outlier where the issues are

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I agree, the problem that has got us here is that the lack of policing and enforcement, a bit like rural speed limits, and OTT regulations, policies, and rules aren't the answer.

    If I went to the mart with a single tagged animal, I'd be in the DAFM isolation box myself, but someone else can dump a trailer load of barely living calves and leave them there unsold without a bother. It's a disgrace tbh.

    A few yellow or black cards in the last few years might have set a tone and put a bit of manners on people, as well as encouraging a bit of forward thinking when people were deciding on their breeding policy.

    It wouldn't have suited the agenda of a lot of influential IFJ/IFA types though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    There is a dairy farmer near me and he had an arrangement with another lad in that the second lad would take all the bull calves at 10 days free of charge, but he had to take them all exactly on the tenth day. The second lad would rear them until they were off milk and then sell them as runners in the mart and on Done Deal. Dealers were buying them an putting them into lads around this time of year that needed cattle for 7 months and then they would appear back in the mart in October / November @ circa 100 kgs and 4 -5 previous owners.

    I met the calf rarer in the mart recently buying decent quality calves, I asked him about the calves he normally got from Gerry, he said he lost his shirt on it last year and would never do it again, left with a lot of bad calves that he couldn't sell once off milk and ended up feeding some of them for the winter & only in the last few weeks got rid of them at less than €400 each. Something need to be done about these poor quality cattle as it doesn't pay to feed them to beef especially in the first year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Any dairy farmers with unsaleable calves will either have to rear them in-house our get them contract-reared from next spring to at least 8 weeksthen they can sell our get them slaughtered if their still unsaleable, a few real cute lads will register them a month older and go with them for bobbying earlier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Is there not a bit of personal responsibility comes into this too? I rear calves and the one thing I don’t do is buy a calf I’m not happy with.

    There’s no dairy farmer holding a gun to any calf rearers head to take their calves. If every calf rearer only buys the calves they want then the dairy farmer should end up left with the poor calves and it’s not the concern of any other farmer if the poor ones then have to be reared on the dairy farm.

    The real issue with your neighbours story like that, (although this probably doesn’t apply directly to the calf man in your story as he is now buying decent calves in the mart) is the calf man thinks he can’t lose getting the calves for free so gets a bit greedy and takes all he can get.

    A lot of the time that works out profitable so fair enough. There’s one bad year then and it’s all the dairy man’s fault. I’m sure the calf man doesn’t go back to give the dairy man an extra cut of the profits when he’s doing well from the arrangement so no point complaining when there’s one bad year.

    If the dairy man’s calves aren’t up to scratch then don’t take them off him and you can’t lose money on them then. It’s as simple as that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    @DBK1 I would agree with you.

    In the case of the lads I referred to, a few years ago when this arrangement first started the majority of the dairy farmers bull calves would have been ok. Put the quality as progressively gotten worse over the years with more extreme jersey breeding. A calf that is less than 20% jersey can be ok, but something that has 50% + breeding is a not much used for beef.



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