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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I don't know if many of you watched this, but the retired Col. Broached the subject of Ryssia using a tactical Nuclear weapon. He mentions that while he was stationed in Europe, including as recent as 2014, US troops have already trained for such an action. He points out that the US will be seen to bat the horror of a nuclear detonation aside to apply a swift and devastating conventional response, that would both end the war, and change the World order in one foul swoop. The US cannot be seen to be held to ransome by threats of a nuclear detonation. If so, then every little despot will either get one or try to get some nuclear weapons.

    If a US/NATO response is a devastating conventional attack to take out the entire Russian Navy in the Black Sea( which he says is possible), all assets in Ukraine and any other threats within Belarus and Kaliningrad, then the world, especially the neer-do-wells, as he calls them, will see them as useless, and even counter-productive from the perspective of using them as a threat.

    The Col. mentions that the US knows this and is why not much is ever made upon Putins nuclear threats. In fact, I'd say the US would relish the opportunity. The entire conflict would be over in a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Strand1970


    OK, but I am sure Russia would say **** it and launch everything they have in every direction. I don't see this as being a clean operation of only Russia being destroyed. The Russians won't use nuclear weapons but if they did then we are all goosed as neither side would back down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet every day Russian aircraft are bombing Ukrainian positions or launching attacks on Ukrainan cities, from outside the air defense systems, Russia still has hundreds of aircraft and pilots no matter what one or two YouTube videos say,and they still have a large amount of artillery systems in place, ukraine will face difficulties trying to move large numbers of vehicles and armor across open area's



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agreed. I know Russia is his home, but every time I see him reporting from Russia (where you can get arrested for carrying a rose or holding up a blank piece of paper) I'm expecting to see him get his collar felt. He's an Anglo Russian (could probably apply for citizenship) with Russian/Belarus heritage and has a life there. It's not like he's a jobbing journalist, but he's playing with fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Ukraine won't be placing their most expensive AA system remotely close to the border with Russia, let alone the Frontline.

    Assuming Ukraine will be using the PAC-3 version, that only has a range of 60km.

    So Russia would still be able to launch air attacks on the frontline or stay within Russian airspace launching glide bombs or cruise missiles freely. Patriot system won't prevent that unless they place it on the Frontline (highly doubtful) and the US allows Ukraine target aircraft within Russian airspace (doubtful also)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The claim Russia can hit moving targets with a glide bomb is laughable. Unless Ukraine adopt Russian tactics and travel in a slow single column or park up side by side over night etc.... But as one poster once said, if you don't know the Russian's actual target, how can you know they missed!

    As for other AA systems Ukraine can free up, I'd hope they have mobile ones that can move forward with a counter offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I'm sure that's the intention, and I'm equally sure Russia know that is the response. Then 2 things pop into my head. If Russia launch one and the response is as you said where Russia is going to be pummelled, wouldn't they then launch more before they could be destroyed. Go down in flames if ya like. Then if that's the case, wouldn't it make more sense to launch everything upfront before a US/NATO response? I'd be shocked if they just launched one initially knowing what was planned as retalliation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    That is the point. Unless they reach the point where they are willing to launch everything no launch will be made at all. So unless Russia wishes to destroy Russia nothing will be launched. Plus if the US sees one launch it will immediately assume everything is being launched and accordingly. For all the craziness in Russia they don't want to go down, in flames or otherwise. So the US is confident that all the bluster about nuking somewhere or other that doesn't agree with the Russians is just PR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They are getting three ,

    They can't and won't be able to cover the whole country, look at Russias latest tactic Smaller scale missles,and drones and the Ukrainans are shooting a fair few down some missles are getting through,but the biggest question for the air defense systems how much ammunition does ukraine have for it's systems considering they are active most days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    That's exactly why the current thoughts of the US is that Putin would never use one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Major shortage of essential building components, one reason being that only factory in the region capable of manufacturing the parts is in Ukraine, and the Russians bombed it. The irony of it!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    There are some total fantasists on this thread. Without a doubt Russia would hit back. It would lose, definitely, but could do devastating damage certainly in Europe before that point. Thankfully I don't think Russia will pull that trigger. If Putin and his cronies care about one thing more than national pride, it's money and luxury, they want to keep their lifestyle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Strand1970


    Where is the best site to get an up to date map of what's going on in Ukraine. I generally look at war mapper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    i especially like the bit that says 'special funding opportunities'


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Maybe it's time to embrace our inner Gen. Turgidson?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Day 401 of a 3 day invasion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Shows how drones are key. Imagine each tank having an extra man who is literally flying a drone over the battlefield.

    We've seen it with artillery, no need for spotter's radioing back, the gunner or sighter just checks the screen and adjusts aim.

    You can still see how wet the ground is with the deep tracks left in the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Been saying it for years,he's only ever been interested in what America did or is doing,

    Never mentions anything to do with various regimes around the world



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Something most people who have followed Russia for years would have known

    There is much more out there still that needs to be exposed though

    All part of Putins hybrid warfare and misinformation campaigns

    Have to give it to the russians,atleast something they are good at,lying.



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why Russia will never get air superiority in Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    Never ceases to amaze me at the punishment trees can take and yet still survive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    It seems that Putin is now talking about a 'forever war'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I'm reporting Putin to the Russian authorities. It's "special military operation", and a suggestion that it might go on forever is discrediting the Russian armed forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Just to give people a reminder of the enormity of just what is happening in Ukraine - WW1 lasted for four years and its western theatre was concentrated over a frontline of just under 500 miles - the famous Western Front. The war in Ukraine has already been going for a year and its front extends from Kherson in the south up to Kharkiv in the northeast - approximately 600 miles. Being exposed to so much coverage about it can desensitise us to the fact that this is a huge, huge war being fought in Europe in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That would depend on the terms of reference....Is Putins "forever" meaning his life span? In that case, hopefully, it may be a very short war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A female Russian passenger in a taxi cab made the news in Brazil after the driver asked her not to smoke in his vehicle.

    I mean the man has seen the effects of Russians smoking..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Until recently last time I heard the acronym BRICS being mentioned was not long after the 2008 financial crisis. This trading block seems to be the great hope of the instigators of this conflict. 

    B has just gotten rid of it's Trump

    R

    I is going through a Modi nationalistic period - have a look at the exports to RU since the start of last year as a backdoor import route. Vote once/often in the worlds biggest democracy.

    C will probably invade them

    S sadly is still undergoing it's post colonial transformation and appears to be corrupt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Watching those 1420 vox pop videos it gives me the impression that the Russians are still smoking like it's the mid 1970s. I knew that they were behind the times, but yeesh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭Bitcoin




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