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Limerick - Nenagh - Ballybrophy railway

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    #632
    Paddico
    Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Is normal service back on this line now. Any changes or improvements?



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    #633
    Economics101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Economics101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853280#Comment_119853280

    Widely advertised that current works will end enabling full re-opening on November 20th. See Irish Rail website: https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/news/irishrail-engineering-works#line-improvement-works



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    #634
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,593 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    There are journey time improvements planned in the new timetable from December per the recent consultation.



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    #635
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,593 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Great to see the line reopening today and finally completely relaid with CWR.

    https://twitter.com/irishrail/status/1594398137703174144



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    #636
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Great to see trains back on the line. Saw the morning Dublin bound train flying through Kilruane on the way to Cloughjordan this morning.

    I spotted this on twitter earlier and thought it was a bizarrely negative take on the track renewal project here.

    https://twitter.com/RailUsersIe/status/1594593632861954048?t=PXkdKe0a9CWsUm-jKq2smQ&s=19



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    #637
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,001 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    in fairness RUI are correct.

    okay, the track renewal is better then nothing, but it really amounts to general repairs and other bits that should have and would have been done long ago if IE were bothered and had asked, during the boom for the money, which they would have been given.

    sure, it's a step and the situation is better then it was, but there is a long way to go and a long fight still ahead, the work is far from done.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #638
    TranslatorPS
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    It's a two-sided problem here - yes, good thing speeds are up, but at the same time if we're closing the line to improve it, we might as well see if we can't bring it up above any previous standard.



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    #639
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users Posts: 7,856 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    +1

    my initial thought was also, what are they complaining about, but it takes 2hours to get from Limerick to Ballybrophy on the branch line - which is madness, and this is a line which runs in parallel to a Motorway, and you can get from Limerick to Ballybrophy via Limerick Junction in just 1 hour, which only makes the uselessness of the branch line even more aparant.

    by the way, thats 2 hours for roughly 90km, so 45kmh average speed, compared to 120kmh on the motorway.



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    #640
    The_Wanderer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119901985#Comment_119901985

    No surprise there really in Platform 11 being negative.



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    #641
    Paddico
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905658#Comment_119905658

    Now that is rediculous



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    #642
    Paddico
    Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Paddico


    How quick is Bus Eireann on the same route?



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    #643
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,593 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907096#Comment_119907096

    There are no Bus Éireann services on the route.



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    #644
    Paddico
    Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Paddico


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907151#Comment_119907151

    Let me rephrase.

    Is a bus from Limerick to Roscrea quicker than a train from Limerick to Roscrea?



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    #645
    LXFlyer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119920071#Comment_119920071

    No the bus is not quicker.

    The bus is also more expensive, and that will become more relevant as when hopefully, over time, rail frequency is increased.

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    #646
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119920091#Comment_119920091

    According to Irish Rail the hours the gate keepers can work prohibits the introduction of any new services to the timetable.

    Those 13 crossings seem to be the biggest obstacle to real improvements for the line.

    Hopefully the funding to automate these crossings will be found.



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    #647
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119922296#Comment_119922296

    South of Castleconnel they should be looking at bridges to remove the crossings completely, there are points where multiple LCs could be removed with one bridge.



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    #648
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923920#Comment_119923920

    It's the right way to do it of course but for now trying to get the budget to fully automate 13 crossings is about as good as we can hope for. (2 of the crossings are already partially automated)

    Redeploying or redundancy for the gate keeper staff is an issue too.

    There are also 4 (I think) unattended crossings on minor public roads on the line too between Birdhill and the Silvermines. The Kilmastulla valley.

    They would presumably have to be dealt with if train speeds are to improve in the Kilmastulla valley



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    #649
    Economics101
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    Part of the problem is that the rail safety people insist on full-barrier, CCTV monitored and controlled and fully signalled level crossings as the alternative to old-fashioned manual LCs. These are hugely expensive. In Northern Ireland there are several AHB crossings even on mainlines (half barrier and no rail signals). These area also found all over Europe.

    Why not in Ireland, even on secondary lines? Is it the fear of being sued for millions by some idiot who ignores the rules? Is it because Irish drivers are less disciplined than others? Or is it because someone in "authority" is sh*t-scared of making a decision which might at some time in the future lead to them being accused of negligence?



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    #650
    end of the road
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    probably all 3 of those.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #651
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    It's all 3 but in particular the behaviour of motorists and professional drivers seem to be the worst offenders at times for not obeying rules at crossing gates.

    Its frustratingly expensive but so is paying gate keepers. A project to automate the gates needs to be the next priority for this line. God knows how long it will take to secure ring fenced funding for that project but if it doesnt happen the timetable cant improve. And if the timetable cant improve we are at nothing.

    It does seem like an all or nothing scenario too the way the limitations on how many hours gate keepers can work has been described.

    So it's either A automate or B hire even more gate keepers.



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    #652
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Whats the numbers like since it reopened. Must take a wander into limerick on it someday



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    #653
    Deedsie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119925104#Comment_119925104

    Anecdotally it has improved recently. But with the current and the new timetable from December 11th there is only so far it can go. Huge support from people along the line who want a better service.



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    #654
    feargantae
    Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭feargantae


    I see B. Uí Bhróithe/Ballybrophy has some shiny new bilingual signs. The ones with the green TFI stripe where the Gaeilge is easier to see than the Béarla!

    Nice to see given how many times the station's closure was said to be imminent!



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    #655
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,059 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190977#Comment_120190977

    CIE painted every station on the West Cork the summer before shutting it down (allegedly)



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    #656
    The_Wanderer
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    All stations on the Cork route have got them. Thurles to Portarlington inclusive certainly have. I do like the font and style of them.



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    #657
    Economics101
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    Just took trip on the Nenagh line. The recent improvements in running times are very underwhelming to say the least. There are loads and loads of ' 30mph restrictions , presumably near user-worked crossings. I can# unterstand why such crossings are passed at much higher speeds on other lines.

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    #658
    Poxyshamrock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120413656#Comment_120413656

    No great changes have been made to line speeds and it still takes over 50 mins to get from Nenagh to Limerick.

    Hopefully with the recruitment drive, we may see an additional service in the next timetable due to take effect in December.



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    #659
    Economics101
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120414640#Comment_120414640

    Recruiting more dirvers will not necessarily enable extra services. You will need a second shift of signallers, crossing keepers and other staff, or at least a lot of money spent on automated crossings and signalling.

    Post edited by Economics101 on


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    #660
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,593 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120413656#Comment_120413656

    You have to look at this as a work in progress, and a step in the right direction for the line. It’s a long term project.

    The local group had to make a Herculean political effort to get the line relaid in its entirety with CWR. They should be praised for that.

    The next target is an additional middle of the day train. This requires approval from the NTA - there are apparently staff and rolling stock available to do it.

    Following that, the removal or automation of the level crossings and accommodation crossings to allow higher speeds will then be on the agenda, as the LMATS does now envisage increasing frequency on the line.



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    #661
    Drifter100
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Drifter100


    How many accommodation crossings are there on this line ? I`m guessing a god=od few.

    I usually travel on the Dublin Sligo route and because of the signal failure 2 weeks ago it gave a chance to see them all as the trains were crawling. I counted 9 between Mullingar and Edgeworthstown asides from the LC`s that are automated



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