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National Hurling League 2023 Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Who are the usual experts? Have you links to what they said? I’m genuinely interested in seeing who is tipping anyone but Limerick for the AI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭eigrod


    They might not, which is a reflection on how competitive Munster is. No weak team and 1 standout team. Cork finish with 2 tough games away to Clare and Limerick so are under massive pressure in their 2 home games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    You must be living under a rock. Let's hope it's not Diarmuid O'Sullivan:

    The county’s 2017 Munster Championship-winning captain Stephen McDonnell is sure Cork will have an edge over the rest in the coming years and are already ‘second best’.

    “If they are coming up against Kilkenny or Tipperary, Galway or Waterford, it’s Cork to lose. And if they lose, it’s because they beat themselves. I’d say their biggest opposition, outside Limerick, is themselves,” said the Glen Rovers man and club captain this year.

    “Limerick’s biggest opposition, if they lose the All-Ireland this year, is themselves too. Cork are definitely second best, something tells me in the next two years they will win an All-Ireland,” he added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Is he not tipping Limerick there? Now I’m confused. And it’s one former Cork player who I doubt anyone considers “a usual suspect”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I don't know what you've got going on with other posters' statements but if you think I'm digging up all the statements and links connected to Pat Ryan's cork and their march to an all-ireland, you're mistaken. There's plenty out there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Ok so. I disagree with all those unnamed, unquoted people and I think Limerick will win it with the other 4 Munster teams plus KK and Galway being in similar territory and able to beat each other on any given day, like I posted earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Absolutely.

    Limerick have a few years to go at the top yet, the age profile of the team is still young.

    Like the great Dublin football team, no others will come up to meet them, eventually players will retire & Limerick will fall back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    It probably won't. But if KK got bet out the gate it could set them back and Limerick would really be asserting dominance over them in everyway. It's a bigger game for Kilkenny than Limerick I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I don't see anyone close to Limerick at the moment. And I don't see anyone close to Kilkenny in second. I don't buy the whole anyone could beat anyone apart from Limerick.

    I think Kilkenny are a clear second.

    The rest are an inconsistent mess and it's whoever hits form at the right time. Out of the third group, any one could hit form or implode at this point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    Cork still look like a team that have shipped too many beatings on days that really counted. There's no swagger that you associate with Cork teams.

    Back through the years Cork were never down. They could arrive in a year and win an All Ireland with a young team. The old saying they'd crop up like mushrooms.

    Where is the confidence going to come from, and the hurling, to make Cork any different than the last few years?



  • Posts: 127 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More excuses.

    No inter county player steps out onto a pitch for a national semi final not wanting to win it.

    It’s not a national title in only name, it’s literally a national title. Nobody is saying it’s a important as the All Ireland title but there are only three competitive medals available to an inter county player in a year.

    Both teams wanted to win. Cork were beaten by the better team on the day. Deal with it. As I previously stated it won’t make any difference to their championship season either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    Yes and the real good teams often do the double. Kilkenny in the golden years, and 1982, 1983 the double double. Galway 1987 etc.

    Limerick look like a team who've decided they're going to win everything this year. Cork could do with some silverware. The young Cork team that beat Waterford to win the 1998 league won the All Ireland the following year. Confidence comes from winning titles, not tame semi final exits.



  • Posts: 127 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re countering a point that nobody is making. Nobody is saying Kilkenny beating Cork today has any meaningful implications for the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I think it will. Cork need confidence. Something to build on. That will hurt them psychologically. It was another day to stand up for themselves and, like Tipp, they failed.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Attractive Suspect


    Fantastic win for Kilkenny without three of their best players and running out a few youngsters. A handy win in a league semi-final.

    Cork were plenty interested but as usual, for the last 18 years, just not good enough.

    A long way between Kilkenny, Limerick and the rest.



  • Posts: 127 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They lost the league final last year and still made it out of Munster at the expense of the team who beat them in the final, plenty of psychological hurt that day too.

    The psychological hurt and failure of Kilkenny to stand up for themselves when being defeated by Cork in the semi final last year didn’t prevent them from winning the Leinster championship and giving Limerick an excellent challenge in the All Ireland final.

    It won’t make a difference. If they’re good enough they’ll make it out of Munster. Today won’t change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Wexford Tyro


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    There's a huge difference between Kilkenny and Cork. Kilkenny are not looking for the kind of confidence Cork are. Kilkenny have players with multiple all-irelands. They're not searching for proof of anything. A defeat in a league semi for Kilkenny is not the same.

    Just look at the difference in recent performances in the all-finals against Limerick.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Attractive Suspect


    Zero importance for the "Top 7 Teams" haha would you ever behave...there's no "top 7" and there's no **** competition.

    Kilkenny and Limerick might not care about the league given their history but Cork don't want to win a league? haha

    Kilkenny and Limerick are the only teams that can use the league as a tune up. Everyone else is mad to win it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    If as some have said Cork were not going full tilt to win today you'd have to ask why? It's a quarter of a century since they last lifted a league title so surely the players and management would like a winners medal?

    If it's because the final would be too close to the start of the Munster Championship Cork have a bye opening weekend and are not out until Sun 30 April.

    If Cork were not to keen on meeting Limerick in a final and getting a spanking i find that hard to believe.

    Or maybe todays Cork team gave their best effort on the day and were just not good enough and beaten by the better team.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Attractive Suspect




  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Attractive Suspect


    If Cork don't want to turn up and beat a team in transition with a new manager, who would fancy them in the Championship?

    It has plenty of meaning. Cork have won the square route of **** all in twenty years and turn up as if they've won the sun, moon and stars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Grats


    Cork arrived in Nowlan Park today full of confidence having topped the "harder" group in the League. They had also beaten Limerick and would surely relish the chance of meeting them again, and pick up silverware. Kilkenny hadn't shown much to convince us that they were as far down the road as Cork. D Lyng has used the League to unearth new talent and to try various formats.

    Well, it would appear Kilkenny are making progress and Cork were at the receiving end of it today. They hounded Cork, and Cork don't like being hounded as was shown today.

    Kilkenny bothered with the Semi Final when the same two teams met in Cork last year. Cork won, so I presume they bothered on that occasion! Kilkenny bothered again today, like they will always do, and won. Cork lost, so we're told they weren't bothered.

    We'll see if they can flick on that switch in the Munster Championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    A long way between Limerick and the rest.

    Fixed that for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    TJ Reid was talking through his hat by the way. I realise more than most how paranoid and sensitive Kilkenny can be, but Reid said that "everyone was saying Ballygunner were the best club team of all time". Even by their standards of imagined offence this was a new low. Surely not everyone in the dressing room is numpty enough to believe something so blatantly untrue and then get motivated by it? This sort of "we were written off" motivation might still be tried in places but it doesn't last long in a match. You need an awful lot more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    Are you from Limerick?

    There's a kind of affection for Limerick, way beyond admiration that come off your posts 😊

    Don't get me wrong, they're a great team but they're not that far ahead. Their last 2 championship games v Galway and Kilkenny went to the wire. It's not that clear cut. Red card, an off day.

    They're the best team around but sport is littered with upsets bigger than Limerick getting caught.

    No disrespect to Limerick they are up there with Kilkenny 2006-09 in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    No I'm not from Limerick. I'm many miles closer to Kilkenny than Limerick.

    I'm many miles closer to Leinster than Munster.

    But I have the bare social confidence, as has many I know, to admit the current Limerick team are the best seen perhaps at this point in time.

    Limerick may well be caught this year, however its as likely to happen at the hands of Cork as it is of Clare

    Also, have you an issue with a sports fan admiring perhaps the greatest hurling we will see in our lifetime

    An awful sense of bitterness off your posts, which I may have misinterpreted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    I had to google 'social confidence'.

    'Social confidence is you KNOWING for a FACT that what you are about to do or are doing is not only completely acceptable, but it is totally desired by all parties involved'.

    That's strong stuff Fintan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    An awful sense of bitterness off your posts, which I may have misinterpreted

    What's bitter about them? You're a little sensitive to anyone saying Limerick might not win the All Ireland, that it's a slim possibility.



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