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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Strange ad, look at the other things he's selling ..

    I think it means they will give you 2k in year one, and up to 3k per year if you host a charger on your site. They seem to be separating them for some reason instead of a hub.

    I know easygo were looking for sites for 50kW+ chargers and they had some luck with some hotels and supermarket chains. Their model was profit sharing with no details.

    Hotels could be a win win with toilets and food but they really need to be right next to a national road or motorway or city based. I would have though two chargers would draw a larger crowd these days. A single charger site is very risky to stop at in terms of onward travel. I know one charger could become two but the right site would be busy straight away. I am thinking blanchardstown or any junction on m50, it's a real profit waiting to happen. Talking to hotel and fast food outlets next to motorways with lots of parking would be better than done deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭pron


    Not convinced even 50kW is needed at most hotels ..

    That's where you put destination chargers, I'm going to be there for an hour or more if I'm having lunch, or overnight if I'm staying. That lends itself to "hogging" a 7kW / 11kW spot - and you can have a dozen of those for every 150kW rapid charger.

    If it's done right, rapid chargers are installed in banks (like Tesla do) along major routes, at every services ... places you stop for 20-30 mins tops.

    50kW chargers at major retail outlets are touch-and-go on this scenario .. pointless somewhere like DundrumSC where they want folk to stay a few hours, good somewhere like a Tesco / Dunnes etc, where you'd expect to be maybe 45 mins grabbing the shopping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Fair point, but didn't Tesla recently install a bunch of superchargers at a hotel in Ireland, Johnstown house maybe?

    These days you could spend 90 mins at a 50kW charger to get what you need, which is more than enough time for a decent lunch break


    Personally I'd much prefer the idea of stopping into a hotel for a charging stop than any of the motorway service stations, most of them have degenerated into kips and are sorely in need of refurbishment

    So IMO you could do with both AC and DC chargers at a hotel. There's also a fair number of hotels near motorways, so they'd function pretty well as charging stops

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    A lot of superchargers are at hotels, probably because the big petrol companies want to install their own charging networks, as they have started doing.

    In Ireland they're located:

    Hotels x 3

    Shopping center x 1

    Motorway Services x 4

    Tesla Service Centers x 2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    With the mention that the oldest are at the service stations and all of the new ones are elsewhere.


    50 kW are perfect for a lunch at a nice restaurant. Back in 2019 I would deliberately choose Abbey Court Hotel in Nenagh over Obama Plaza for this reason. At low SoC a 50kW delivers around 40kW or less due to low voltage so you're looking at 1h - 1h30mins for a big battery which is perfect for a lunch/dinner. Dundrum Sc is a more complex situation due to mixed usage. When I'm there for grocery shopping I'll be for less than 1h, the DC would be well suited. However, when in for restaurant/cinema/parties I could be there for up to 3h so AC is a better choice. Different levels with different prices/hogging penalties per minute would sort out the prob.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    So here's a question, let's say you had a shopping centre with a bunch of AC chargers and a few DC chargers, best mix for different users


    If the power supply was constrained, which should get priority, AC or DC?

    I don't think there's a right answer personally, but probably makes sense to give DC chargers priority since they're staying the shortest time in theory.

    But the AC chargers should be guaranteed down to a minimum power, maybe 3.6kW, so they don't get cut off completely

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,433 ✭✭✭markpb


    I’m no electrician but I’d imagine the power needs of any reasonably large shopping centre far dwarf the needs of a DC charger and a few AC chargers. And of course, those places generally have huge, mostly unused roofs which would be ideal for a solar panel or two mounted onto a stand like a ground mount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    True, for example Pavilions Swords has 10x 22kW ESB chargers (ironically it's the biggest ESB hub in Ireland) and they didn't seem to need any new substations

    IMO they could have cut the power to the AC chargers by 50% and put in a pair of 50kW DC chargers and would have been way more useful

    They're also putting something like 1500 solar panels on the roof. Even on a murky day like today they'd probably be able to power the car chargers with power to spare

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    How long between being awarded the home charger grant(the confirm email) and actually being paid It have ye had to wait. Its almost 2 weeks since I got the confirmation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    4 weeks give or take, send them an email at the 4 week mark.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,092 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    All my forms were submitted on Feb 1st and the grant was received on Mar 13th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Just 2 out of the 4 spots at rathfarnham are ICE'd today.

    It's raining so I suppose they need to get as close as possible to Dealz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You really get bad luck at that spot. I was down on Friday evening picking up the kids and some mothers day stuff in tesco, didnt charge myself this time but I saw all spots free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Seen a video on Facebook from the AA saying the grant is reducing to €3,500 from July 1st?

    is this a very recent announcement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Thumper Long


    Announced this afternoon by the wizards in Leinster House



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    ^^ Official govt press release

    Much less of a reduction than expected. I'd say it will be wiped out on 1 Jan 2024 though (i.e. next budget).

    VRT rebate unchanged also so its business as usual really for this year. €1500 reduction isn't going to deter too many people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    The problem is the optics with those who currently are in diesels and need to be encouraged into EVs to hit climate targets.....

    Govt needs to be clear on what the EV growth plan is......

    Its grand for those of us into EVs who can understand some of the nuances.....

    Like the fact that the grant is probably making the pre grant price more expensive.....

    But normal drivers don't know this and there's no one to educate them in an unbiased but yet expert way.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well excise on fuel is going back up, so the financial incentive is still there to go electric

    Honestly I think the die hard diesel fans are going to resist changing no matter what the incentives are. There's nothing that'll move them over until the ICE ban comes in 2035

    I think the bad optics is around the fact that the grant tapers below €20k. It should be tapering above €40k IMO same as the VRT rebate

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    ..... wrong forum

    Post edited by munchkin_utd on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Looks like Toyota are pushing the Lemon….. 1st add I’ve seen for it on Facebook…..

    and only €2k more expensive than a Model Y (though I suspect delivery & related charges would push the bz4x above the €50k mark… (actually the updated reduced grant will put it over €50k)

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    If only I wasn’t barred from commenting on Toyota Ireland posts…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    You should drop into the dealership and ask them in person why does this not self charge. Bonus points for Facebook live or insta live stream or whatever the kidz use now a days for trolling.

    Ask them why it's better than a model y etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭wassie


    I would of thought an scrappage scheme would be useful also to incentivise folk to make the change. There is no way the Govt is going to get close to the 2030 targets witht these measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭creedp


    Those targeta are not achievable and tbh were never considered to be achievable. Just another set of frilly knickers from our masters. But hey they underpinned some great soundbites for a number of years and I'm sure yielded a few warm pats on the head from those international dignatories that really matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    Was talking to my wife today about replacing our ID3 family car at the end of the PCP contract later this year (love how it drives but I've grown to absolutely despise the infotainment and controls)

    She doesn't read about cars or EVs vs ICE or follow the industry in any way at all, nor does she particularly care, but her main requirement was to get an EV again because she'd hate to go back to having to worry about range in a petrol car and having to queue up at petrol stations. I found it amusing how that was the polar opposite to what the perceived wisdom is for a lot of people. We charge at home overnight so to her our car effectively has infinite range for all the driving she ever does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭staples7


    We’re not too far away from that in our house too 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭creedp


    My other half always thought our ICE cars had infinite range as she never once had to fuel it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    My wife would consistently wait until the tank was practically empty before refuelling because she didn't want to pump her own petrol

    She'd also often try bribing me with coffee to fill the car for her (spoiler alert, it worked 😂)

    She also once had to queue for half and hour in the petrol station because the card machine wasn't working properly and took several minutes for each transaction to go through. So it's not like queues are a unique EV problem

    Now that she's got an EV, she doesn't have to deal with any of that cræp 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    In terms of 1million Irish EVs the target is impossible even if 100% of new cars sold were EVs.


    We really need to get new sales shifted towards EVs. Making public charging 100% reliable would help but there are no real signs of things getting any better.

    They need a clear plan and to discourage sales of diesel and petrol cars. Nothing I see makes me believe there is any real strategy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Bringing the price of electricity down to affordable levels would be the biggest decider for me. The way bills are for everyone the last thing they need is something gobbling up juice like there's no tomorrow.



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