So Prime Time done a piece this evening on retail crime and how its only getting worse and how

AMKC · 21-03-2023 11:45PM #1

How the staff suffer abuse from crinimals and thief's as well and how teenagers do not seem to care they rob with abundon and know that will get away with it.

They say its only getting worse.

How would you solve this?

I think if you Rob something and it's proven that you did you should be made pay double for it.

If you do pay then the next step is prison depending on how much you owe the sentence could go from a few days to months to years.

21-03-2023 11:59PM

I deal with people most days who are in and out of prison. There's one common denominator. They don't care

Mav11 · 22-03-2023 12:17AM

Start by stopping any form of social welfare that they might be on. They’ll care about that.

Potential-Monke · 22-03-2023 01:34AM

Join the future early. Create a store with only touchscreens showing what's available, they select it (or pre-purchase en-route to the store) and they get handed the items through a container built into thief proof glass. No products on shelves to rob, can't be robbed. I wonder how those Amazon stores are getting on...

SeanW · 22-03-2023 02:18AM

It's really simple - send thieves to jail, and for repeat offenders, keep them there. If you punish theft, you'll get less of it. If you encourage it, or turn a blind eye, you get more of it.

kyote00 · 22-03-2023 03:47AM

Start with education. For example, Prime time “did” a piece ….

enricoh · 22-03-2023 04:33AM

It's 2023 and social welfares computer can't interact with the Dept of justice's computer. Therefore if a fella is fined e500 it can't be taken out e20 a week from his disability.

Instead he doesn't pay the fine, a couple of cops get to spend half the day bringing him to the joy, n he is on the bus home a few hours later.

There is zero political will to sort this from our minister of justice, not enough woke points in it for her.

22-03-2023 05:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386138#Comment_120386138

Jail isn't a deterrent for them. I could tell you stories only for the official secrets act.

kowloonkev · 22-03-2023 06:37AM

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While I agree with this in theory, I think it would probably only benefit big chains who can afford to be robbed and it would make things even worse for small businesses who don't have the capital, expertise or resources to make it happen.

Of course they could always just have a shop window with bars on it where people can order what they need.

Mav11 · 22-03-2023 07:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386175#Comment_120386175

And there's no room in the jails. We need to build more.

Morris Garren · 22-03-2023 07:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058289199/so-prime-time-done-a-piece-this-evening-on-retail-crime-and-how-its-only-getting-worse-and-how

Who done it????

astrofool · 22-03-2023 07:19AM

It's almost impossible to accuse someone of or check for this, even if it's blatant (and could then be a trap to sue for defamation) and even when convicted, there will usually be no time served with the fine not covering the costs and likely to be unpaid anyway.

raxy · 22-03-2023 07:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386123#Comment_120386123

So Argos is the answer? Didn't work out too well for them!

Quitelife · 22-03-2023 07:33AM

ireland Is one of the best country’s in the world to be a criminal .

Judges who would believe any yarn about you , free legal aid solicitors who have no morals , too few prisons , too few diligent guards & a heap of politicians who excuse criminals to suit some left wing idiology.

You get a decent core welfare package and as good as free house from the tax payers, dont ever work yourself , shoplift what you need , rob houses and sell drugs and a few accident claims then to pay for holidays , new cars/vans , lavish communion party’s , massive headstones and laugh at the law abiding going to work !

Mav11 · 22-03-2023 07:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386231#Comment_120386231

So genius, what would you suggest?

Mav11 · 22-03-2023 07:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386282#Comment_120386282

Because we have been doing that for decades, better facilities, free houses, youth diversion projects costing billions, role models in the form of team leaders. Better education, you can't get them to go to school, its better craic and cooler to go robbing and scutting.

So we do more of it because it has been working very well so far, hasn't it?

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-03-2023 09:11AM

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Sure that's Argos and they are leaving!

Thelonious Monk · 22-03-2023 09:13AM

Classic boards response. Take their welfare!!!! Because leaving them destitute would mean they never steal again.

Mav11 · 22-03-2023 09:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386492#Comment_120386492

No. The response was in relation to a quote that they don't care. We do know from experience that welfare is something that they feel entitled to and care about. If you can cast your mind back to the "General" you'll see how much they care about welfare.

So it has nothing to do with "leaving them destitute", but more an attempt to get a change in behaviour.

nullzero · 22-03-2023 09:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386492#Comment_120386492

Classic leftie response, all outrage and no practical solutions.

The criminal justice system is failing to mitigate against these issues so without building more prisons for these people to be locked up in how exactly do issues like this get dealt with?

Welfare should only be provided with the condition that social compact is upheld.

This isn't 2009, jobs are available to people claiming welfare if they wish to look take up employment, but guess what? They don't want to. So if they're breaking the law take away their welfare and force them to work.

As others have stated, Ireland is a fantastic country to be a criminal, it's a legitimate career choice, that needs to change.

Thelonious Monk · 22-03-2023 09:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386654#Comment_120386654

dole docking fantasies aren't practical solutions either, just the usual nonsense from the boards.ie crowd. it's never going to happen so why do you lot always come out with the same nonsense?

nullzero · 22-03-2023 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386667#Comment_120386667

What's your solution to this issue then?

Thelonious Monk · 22-03-2023 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386677#Comment_120386677

i don't have one, i'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is that you all go on about docking dole when it will never happen. if i were to take a stab at it i'd say some kind of parental supports, counsellors, career guidance, all that lefty nonsense you people hate is probably a better way to tackle it than making people poorer.

a lot of the time it's women with kids shoplifting. we both know their dole will never be docked under any circumstances.

screamer · 22-03-2023 10:01AM

A few lashes might sort them out and no, not fake eye lashes either. For those that have multiple convictions.

seriously though, the problem is that there is no punishment for disregarding the law, and it’s not just scrotes look at that Burke fella, literally doesn’t do anything he’s been told to do, even by a judge and what happens? He’s become a celebrity. Only in Ireland.

thehairygrape · 22-03-2023 10:08AM

I’d forgive them all. If it’s good enough for DJ…

nullzero · 22-03-2023 10:10AM

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Parental supports require a buy in from parents. Typically they need to get up off their arses and go somewhere to avail of them.

Councillors the same thing.

Career guidance for young people in environments where nobody has a job is a bit of a hail Mary also.

These approaches also ignore the vast numbers of adult criminals who will continue to offend while the younger generation is slowly steered away from a life of crime.

I appreciate the requirement for holistic approaches but there's also a need to de-incentivise criminality for those who are currently engaged in criminality.

The two need to happen in tandem.

Mav11 · 22-03-2023 10:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386689#Comment_120386689

We, as a society have been doing all that and more, for years now. We have been very progressive in that respect. During the recession of 2008 - 2012 all budgets with the exception of juvenile related budgets were cut. Because we bought into that narrative.

But you know Einstein's definition of insanity...............................that applies here!!!!

nullzero · 22-03-2023 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386757#Comment_120386757

Unleash the social workers.

blanch152 · 22-03-2023 10:28AM

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Those solutions work, but only up to a point.

There comes a time when the number of people needing help overwhelms society's ability to respond. Counsellors aren't cheap, neither are parental supports.

Across the broad range of society from disability, to children with special needs, to career criminals, to old people going into care homes, to drug users, to health pandemics etc, we are struggling to resource the supports that people need. A crisis is coming, when we will have to choose who we can support.

Thatcher had it right. Socialism is great, until you run out of people to pay for it.

In Ireland, the future choice is clear, do we maintain the highest rates of social welfare in Europe, or do we put in place supports for the really vulnerable?

Thelonious Monk · 22-03-2023 10:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386811#Comment_120386811

ok but no irish government is going to allow social welfare to be docked any time soon. take money off a shoplifting woman on the scratcher who has 2 kids at home to feed. like we have to be realistic.

blanch152 · 22-03-2023 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386819#Comment_120386819

I agree, but the real problem is the father in that case. Where is he? Why isn't he sharing in the care and upkeep of his child?

So Prime Time done a piece this evening on retail crime and how its only getting worse and how

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