What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Penn · 18-03-2023 07:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120373885#Comment_120373885

"Btw I see your retweeting the far left TDS CNBC lunatic Kyle Griffen now says it all really. 🤣🤣🤣"

That doesn't negate the screenshot of Trump's actual post on Truth Social. Doesn't change it even a little bit. It's literally Trump's own words being shown.

everlast75 · 18-03-2023 07:36PM

https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1637142131113439232?s=20

Ahahahahaha!

The fear is palpable 😁

MisterAnarchy · 18-03-2023 07:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120373885#Comment_120373885

Its laughable that Kyle Griffen is deemed a credible source whilst the likes of Fox are derided on here.

MSNBC and CNN have been exposed as being as dishonest as Fox News in recent years.

As for Trump being arrested this is the same D.A. who let's violent criminals walk free! The moronic Democrats are trying to make him illegible to run and this will make Trump stronger!

Its a witch hunt as Trump rightly says , a personal vendetta.

This is the same Democrat party who bailed criminals and murderers out of jail a few summers ago as it suited their agenda against Trump.

The same party wanted to defund the police.

This case is being taken to hamper Trumps 2024 campaign, it will likely go on for at least 18 months perhaps longer.

TheIrishGrover · 18-03-2023 07:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374196#Comment_120374196

So. A question.....

Did she alter Trump's.... hehe hehe... "truth"? It was posted here from a source that, contrary to allegations, does NOT have access to "truth social".

If the post came, unaltered and unedited from the source, does that alter the context?

Some are getting hung up on where this screen capture came from but if it is an exact duplicate, does this alter the narrative?

Or are you saying that the post is somehow twisted beggars it was forwarded from a source you do not agree with?

Assuming no? Next....

MisterAnarchy · 18-03-2023 08:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374235#Comment_120374235

Its a stock ploy of the Trump dislikers on here to wheel out that argument anytime someone posts a source they disapprove of irrespective of the content.

If I posted a Fox News tweet or right wing commentator saying tomorrow is Sunday, it would be scoffed at.

Griffen is one of the most dishonest people in news media.

robinph · 18-03-2023 08:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374279#Comment_120374279

It's a screenshot of a post from Trump, which they then quoted.

Which bit exactly do you disagree with?

Penn · 18-03-2023 08:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374279#Comment_120374279

Fox News have literally be shown to be putting commentators and Trump acolytes on their shows to spread election conspiracies that they themselves knew were dangerous lies and absolute bullsh*t just for ratings.

Kyle Griffen posted a screenshot (one that many others also posted and has been reported on several news channels) of a Trump post on his own website.

The two are not the same.

MisterAnarchy · 18-03-2023 10:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120372391#Comment_120372391

Im afraid you are going to be very disappointed.

This case is as weak as water and when it fails as it will, it will discourage other prosecutors from going after Trump with far stronger cases.

It seems to be even outside the statute of limitations of 2 years.

This is a good article by acclaimed lawyer Jonathan Turley outlining the weakness of the case.

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1637105703541252097

Although it may be politically popular, the case is legally pathetic. Bragg is struggling to twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the Justice Department against Trump over his payment of “hush money” to former stripper Stormy Daniels.

It is extremely difficult to show that paying money to cover up an embarrassing affair was done for election purposes as opposed to an array of obvious other reasons, from protecting a celebrity’s reputation to preserving a marriage. That was demonstrated by the failed federal prosecution of former presidential candidate John Edwards on a much stronger charge of using campaign funds to cover up an affair.

The Southern District of New York’s U.S. Attorney’s office had no love lost for Trump, pursuing him and his associates in myriad investigations, but it ultimately rejected a prosecution based on the election law violations. It was not alone: The Federal Election Commission (FEC) chair also expressed doubts about the theory.

Prosecutors working under Bragg’s predecessor, Cyrus Vance Jr., also reportedly rejected the viability of using a New York law to effectively charge a federal offense. More importantly, Bragg himself previously expressed doubts about the case, effectively shutting it down soon after he took office.

TheIrishGrover · 18-03-2023 10:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374279#Comment_120374279

You seem to be under the impression that this is untrustworthy because Griffen was the source?

Griffen wasn't the source.

Trump was the source.

Rawr · 19-03-2023 09:50AM

It would be odd if this was the hill that Trump had to die on. Odd, and strangley poetic that what got him convicted was the result of being a cheating scumbag and then trying to use his legal toadie to pay her off…who in turn had to prompt Trump to get repaid for shelling out for him.

I don’t think it would happen, and Trump really should be done for far more serious crimes, but this goes to show how slowly the legal gears turn in the States. I think the Stormy thing was one of the first legal fights I remember from the beginning all this nonsense (aka The Trump «Presidency»). Shocking that an attempt to overthrow the United States itself has not earned him a swifter response.

Frankly he should be sentenced to some remote South Atlantic island with no internet access. I think Napoleon’s old room is currently unoccupied.

rossie1977 · 19-03-2023 10:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374196#Comment_120374196

Absolute nonsense, Fox News in court have admitted they are total bulls*it and nobody should believe what they air. When have CNN or MSNBC have had to admit anything like that...

This is a familiar tactic by the right wing, "both sides are a bad as each other" when the reality is far from that. For years they have tried tell you the Dems and Republicans are basically two sides of the same coin yet their voting records over past 15 years completely annihilate that talking point.

What establishment Dems wanted to defend the police, name them

Cody montana · 19-03-2023 05:24PM

The “lock her up” brigade are after getting very angry.

Seeing lots of threats of violence from them online.

So much for law and order.

Wonder will they actual do something?

TheIrishGrover · 19-03-2023 07:14PM

Trump supporters threatening violence? Say it ain't so...

Rjd2 · 19-03-2023 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120376382#Comment_120376382

Imagine going to jail for Donald Trump a man who after J6 pardoned zero people and contributed zero money to any of their legal campaigns and who considers you stupid marks? The shame of it all.

Regarding long term politically, it may solidify his base and will help him secure the GOP nomination, but ultimately it will solidify the opposition towards him after that.

81 million people voted against him last time, the indictment if it occurs is most certainty not going to tempt many to give him another chance.

briany · 19-03-2023 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120376382#Comment_120376382

I'm sure there are plenty of sour-faced frizzy-bearded men out there in the United States who are part of militias named things like, "The Ammo Keepers" or whatever who absolutely want to try something.

However-

There's no excuse for internal security forces not anticipating the threat after January 6th, 2021. If something big does happen, the USA probably has bigger problems than a bunch of wannabe insurrectionists running around, and that problem would be that there are members of law enforcement with no intention of suppressing these types and/or bringing them to justice, if not that there are many members of law enforcement who are of an insurrectionist mindset themselves.

everlast75 · 19-03-2023 08:38PM

Isn't it good to finally see the possibility of some justice after decades of sh1tting all over the average joe bloggs.

Isn't it good to see him virtually sh1t his pants.

archermoo · 19-03-2023 08:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377110#Comment_120377110

With any luck it'll just be the first of many indictments.

Snake Plisken · 19-03-2023 10:08PM

This pretty much sums it up Democrats are using the justice system for political gain. As I said continue this **** and Trump will win the next election by a Landslide!

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1637083122276655104?s=19

astrofool · 19-03-2023 10:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377723#Comment_120377723

How exactly are the democrats forcing him to pay off a pornstar using campaign funds as testified by the lawyer trump hired to make the pay off?

I mean, at what point here do the democrats have control? Because there is 2 possibilities there, the democrats have outsmarted all those people into making them do illegal things or the mess is all of trumps doing. There is no reasonable explanation in between those two.

You seem to be on the side that the democrats are much smarter than you are and are angry about it.

Leroy42 · 19-03-2023 11:07PM

So is the theory that loads of Trump supporters didn't bother voting in 2020 but his arrest will give them the motivation?

Or is it that the arrest will convince 2020 Biden voters to switch.

I can't see either being reality

Rjd2 · 20-03-2023 12:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377900#Comment_120377900

Remember the Mar A Lago raid? Supposedly due to that furious Trumpers were going to storm the midterms and hand the GOP a red wave and yeah they didn't.

It will make him a martyr to the base but he's to reliant on them already when it comes to Biden. Trump fatigue with the general public which cost him in 2020 will be even higher especially if its months of this along with his hourly meltdowns on social media.

Talk about him running the score up is proper wish-casting stuff, he may best case scenario crawl over the line in 2024 but looking at so many of the key electoral college states they don't really like Trumpism at all.

TheIrishGrover · 20-03-2023 09:16AM

Well, in general, Republicans DO vote. Certainly to a larger degree than Dems (Sometimes, as we know, multiple times 😀).

But jokes/rhetoric aside, Republicans do tend to vote . All credit to them, this is their right. There just seems to be an apathy amongst Dems voters (No doubt others would call it arrogance - This is not limited to the US. This seems to be quite common amongst liberal/younger voters). So I don't know how many more votes trump's actions and the actions against him are actually going to impact his numbers.

His supporters will vote for him regardless of any information that emerges and, mainstream GOP voters will turn up anyway. So they are not going to really increase their turnout. They are also certainly not going to increase their numbers to a great degree. Even the most strident trump supporter must agree that he is more divisive than unifying. He is not about winning over new voters (Which any party should be about) but solidifying what they have. They are already solidified.

So the GOP/GQP/trump voters WILL turn up. If Dems don't want them in power THEY need to turn up. In my opinion if you support a position but don't vote for it, you are, in effect, voting against this.

I think I mentioned previously that I was at Glastonbury in 2016 during Brexit vote. Glasto has a wide age range but would definitely lean left (It would seriously trigger many on this thread). Attendees would definitely have voted Remain (I think a straw poll said about 87% or so). But here's the thing: While you could not vote at Glastonbury, people could vote by mail prior and there was much information on the Glasto site helping people out how to do this. But anyway, I was there when the vote happened and the results came in. Everyone was stunned by the result and disappointed. But I remember chatting with people on the day (And before). Conversation usually went around "Wow, what a result. Surprised?" "Yeah, I thought we would have remained" "Can I ask, did you vote remain?" "Nah, I assumed we would remain and it was a bit of a faff to vote by post so I didn't bother".

Now I don't believe for one moment that Glastonbury Festival could have changed the result, I just mean that if you have the ability/option to vote and don't vote then you have no voice and right to complain if the result doesn't turn out as you like.

Rawr · 20-03-2023 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378344#Comment_120378344

And this is key. Thanks to the nonsense voting system in the States, Trump did not lose by nearly enough. Mere thousands of people at a key locations are what gave the Biden the win and it's the apathy of Dem voters that the GOP are hoping for.

Next year, that 80+ Million who voted against Trump need to turn up for an encore perfromance and to bring anyone who didn't vote last time, such as the newly minted voters who came of age in the last 4 years (people who are even less likely to vote GOP)

The MAGA crowd want their "win" back so they will vote. It's up to everyone else to turn up as well.

archermoo · 20-03-2023 11:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378344#Comment_120378344

Part of the problem is that of the two main parties that have a chance of electing the President, one of them is a far right fascist party (Republicans) and the other is a center right corporatist party (Democrats). So that's the choices that progressives have. And while yes it is clear which is worse from their perspective people don't get as excited about voting against the candidate they don't like as they do about voting for the candidate they do like. And from the perspective of progressives Biden was very much a matter of "well, he isn't anywhere near as bad as Trump". Fortunately Trump is such a horrible person, and was such an objectively bad President, that was enough to motivate them in 2020. We'll see if it is enough in 2024.

HalloweenJack · 20-03-2023 12:42PM

I've never lived in the States but the majority of Americans I've met who discussed politics with me would vote Dem as the lesser of two evils as they know how the system works. I've met very few card-carrying Dems.

Similarly, I've met very few people who voted in favour of Brexit (again, have never lived in the UK). I was also under the impression that Brexit wouldn't pass as most of the British voters I knew were against it.

I'm sure there might be some connection between those living outside their respective countries perhaps being more progressive/less conservative but my evidence is purely anecdotal.