What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

astrofool · 19-03-2023 11:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377723#Comment_120377723

How exactly are the democrats forcing him to pay off a pornstar using campaign funds as testified by the lawyer trump hired to make the pay off?

I mean, at what point here do the democrats have control? Because there is 2 possibilities there, the democrats have outsmarted all those people into making them do illegal things or the mess is all of trumps doing. There is no reasonable explanation in between those two.

You seem to be on the side that the democrats are much smarter than you are and are angry about it.

Leroy42 · 20-03-2023 12:07am

So is the theory that loads of Trump supporters didn't bother voting in 2020 but his arrest will give them the motivation?

Or is it that the arrest will convince 2020 Biden voters to switch.

I can't see either being reality

Rjd2 · 20-03-2023 1:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377900#Comment_120377900

Remember the Mar A Lago raid? Supposedly due to that furious Trumpers were going to storm the midterms and hand the GOP a red wave and yeah they didn't.

It will make him a martyr to the base but he's to reliant on them already when it comes to Biden. Trump fatigue with the general public which cost him in 2020 will be even higher especially if its months of this along with his hourly meltdowns on social media.

Talk about him running the score up is proper wish-casting stuff, he may best case scenario crawl over the line in 2024 but looking at so many of the key electoral college states they don't really like Trumpism at all.

TheIrishGrover · 20-03-2023 10:16am

Well, in general, Republicans DO vote. Certainly to a larger degree than Dems (Sometimes, as we know, multiple times 😀).

But jokes/rhetoric aside, Republicans do tend to vote . All credit to them, this is their right. There just seems to be an apathy amongst Dems voters (No doubt others would call it arrogance - This is not limited to the US. This seems to be quite common amongst liberal/younger voters). So I don't know how many more votes trump's actions and the actions against him are actually going to impact his numbers.

His supporters will vote for him regardless of any information that emerges and, mainstream GOP voters will turn up anyway. So they are not going to really increase their turnout. They are also certainly not going to increase their numbers to a great degree. Even the most strident trump supporter must agree that he is more divisive than unifying. He is not about winning over new voters (Which any party should be about) but solidifying what they have. They are already solidified.

So the GOP/GQP/trump voters WILL turn up. If Dems don't want them in power THEY need to turn up. In my opinion if you support a position but don't vote for it, you are, in effect, voting against this.

I think I mentioned previously that I was at Glastonbury in 2016 during Brexit vote. Glasto has a wide age range but would definitely lean left (It would seriously trigger many on this thread). Attendees would definitely have voted Remain (I think a straw poll said about 87% or so). But here's the thing: While you could not vote at Glastonbury, people could vote by mail prior and there was much information on the Glasto site helping people out how to do this. But anyway, I was there when the vote happened and the results came in. Everyone was stunned by the result and disappointed. But I remember chatting with people on the day (And before). Conversation usually went around "Wow, what a result. Surprised?" "Yeah, I thought we would have remained" "Can I ask, did you vote remain?" "Nah, I assumed we would remain and it was a bit of a faff to vote by post so I didn't bother".

Now I don't believe for one moment that Glastonbury Festival could have changed the result, I just mean that if you have the ability/option to vote and don't vote then you have no voice and right to complain if the result doesn't turn out as you like.

Rawr · 20-03-2023 10:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378344#Comment_120378344

And this is key. Thanks to the nonsense voting system in the States, Trump did not lose by nearly enough. Mere thousands of people at a key locations are what gave the Biden the win and it's the apathy of Dem voters that the GOP are hoping for.

Next year, that 80+ Million who voted against Trump need to turn up for an encore perfromance and to bring anyone who didn't vote last time, such as the newly minted voters who came of age in the last 4 years (people who are even less likely to vote GOP)

The MAGA crowd want their "win" back so they will vote. It's up to everyone else to turn up as well.

archermoo · 20-03-2023 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378344#Comment_120378344

Part of the problem is that of the two main parties that have a chance of electing the President, one of them is a far right fascist party (Republicans) and the other is a center right corporatist party (Democrats). So that's the choices that progressives have. And while yes it is clear which is worse from their perspective people don't get as excited about voting against the candidate they don't like as they do about voting for the candidate they do like. And from the perspective of progressives Biden was very much a matter of "well, he isn't anywhere near as bad as Trump". Fortunately Trump is such a horrible person, and was such an objectively bad President, that was enough to motivate them in 2020. We'll see if it is enough in 2024.

HalloweenJack · 20-03-2023 1:42pm

I've never lived in the States but the majority of Americans I've met who discussed politics with me would vote Dem as the lesser of two evils as they know how the system works. I've met very few card-carrying Dems.

Similarly, I've met very few people who voted in favour of Brexit (again, have never lived in the UK). I was also under the impression that Brexit wouldn't pass as most of the British voters I knew were against it.

I'm sure there might be some connection between those living outside their respective countries perhaps being more progressive/less conservative but my evidence is purely anecdotal.

Billy Mays · 20-03-2023 5:03pm

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637809504581550081?s=20

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VinLieger · 20-03-2023 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380116#Comment_120380116

I wont believe it till I see it but this really looks like it might happen

TheIrishGrover · 20-03-2023 5:39pm

It won't happen...

Hell, apparently Jan 6 failed insurrection didn't happen 😏

MisterAnarchy · 20-03-2023 5:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380260#Comment_120380260

Being charged with a crime and being convicted in a court of law are two completely different things.

The case is as weak as water.

Leroy42 · 20-03-2023 6:05pm

But Hunter Bidens Laptop is a thing and HC needed to be locked up?

Your point about charged and conviction is completely valid, except for the hypocrisy shown throughout the last few years

As for the case being weak, which particular part to you think it is weak on? We know he paid, we know he lied, we know he tried to hide it.

Cody montana · 20-03-2023 6:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380340#Comment_120380340

Lock him up!

duploelabs · 20-03-2023 6:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380340#Comment_120380340

This is a continuation of the case that sent Michael Cohen sent to jail, do you remember what trump was referred to in that prosecution? Considering it got Michael Cohen sent to jail, I wouldn't call it 'weak as water' in any aspect

Igotadose · 20-03-2023 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380404#Comment_120380404

Water destroys mountains, shorelines, islands.... Don't sell it short.

Burty330 · 20-03-2023 6:37pm

Jailing political opponents over a misdemeanour is a threat to democracy and a gateway to fascism

Igotadose · 20-03-2023 6:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380500#Comment_120380500

No one is above the law.

And you've not seen the charges, if any, so you've no idea it's a misdemeanor or felony.

Akrasia · 20-03-2023 6:52pm

If I was a hard core republican conservative, I'd definitely back the guy who used stolen money to pay off a porn star so she wouldn't reveal their extra marital affair so he could lie about it during the election campaign

duploelabs · 20-03-2023 6:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380500#Comment_120380500

It's a felony charge, question is do you believe the fake blonde with the tits or Stormy Daniels?

briany · 20-03-2023 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380557#Comment_120380557

As it turns out, the revelation that he had an affair with Stormy Daniels would've probably given him a small boost in numbers. If anything, the thing to lie about would've been that it was a ménage á trois with her and Melania.

archermoo · 20-03-2023 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120379057#Comment_120379057

I was born in the US and lived there most of my life before moving to Ireland. I never registered with a political party until before the 2016 election. I registered as a Democrat because I wanted to make sure that I could vote in the Democratic primary. California allows independent voters to vote in the primaries of parties that wish to allow them to. The Democratic party generally allows it, but I wanted to make sure I could so I registered.

All of the Brits that I know who have said anything about it voted against Brexit, but I also don't have any direct experience on that one.

And there certainly is a fairly strong correlation in the US between political views and even having a passport. People who are more conservative have a much lower tendency to have a passport at all. And that might not be true any longer, as it has been a while since I checked, but I doubt it has changed much. People in rural areas are also much less likely to have a passport than people in urban areas, and urban areas tend to be more progressive.

Beechwoodspark · 20-03-2023 8:08pm

In fairness a lot of trump fans would see him even more positively when the stormy Daniels story came out

Snake Plisken · 20-03-2023 8:30pm

DeSantis has his say on the Soros funded joke of DA and a sly dig at Trump 😀

https://youtu.be/V641tnRlbgY

extra gravy · 20-03-2023 8:31pm

It's amusing to see all the Trump sycophants blaming the Dems again for a situation entirely of his own making. Meanwhile, he's attacking the Florida Fascist again. You love to see it.