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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They will say the drone was close to the Russian border. The US will show radar tracks and evidence the crash site (the one Russia themselves are at) are far from the Russian border. Then Russia will say it was a Ukrainian plane. When that fails they will say the footage is fake etc...

    They always seem to have their lies lined up to be proven wrong.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His thing is that he's an utter crank and tankie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    The reality is, that's an act of war.

    They know this.

    Again, I think they are trying to force the Americans hand before Xi's visit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Supposedly there are reports on social media coming from Crimea where the SU-27s landed, that one of them is damaged. That second pass looks to me like the SU-27 didn't just clip the propeller but impacted the drone significantly. The video feed going out would tend to suggest that the drone fuselage was impacted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭paul71


    Russian soldier admits to Murder in Ukraine, and is sent to prison in Russia for 5.5 years, not for murder but for spreading "Fake News".

    And we have idiots trolling here who claim the Media in the West is controlled and we don't have free speech.





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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Russia shot down manned aircraft not in Russian airspace more than once during the Cold War and it didn't lead to open hostilities.

    It would take a lot more than downing a drone to be considered an "act of war".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    lets all not fight and hold hands...

    I think he fails to realise that sometimes in life, you have to decide between 2 or more bad choices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    interesting if it ever happened.... there'll be even less people in Siberia now that they've all been shipped to Ukraine.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes I know. The Soviet Union shot down more than 1 manned aircraft not in Russian airspace is what I said.

    This will do nothing to relieve tensions, but is essentially meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    or the satcom feed interrupted by the SU-27 as it blocked LOS



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    As an aside, they keep posting images from a Video Game for this (re)announcement of Polish MiGs. Crazy how believable games look these days.

    Nate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    There are major Nato intelligence gathering air assets currently focusing on the Kaliningrad and Baltic areas at the moment. Before I break it down, take a look at all the military ( Note, these are just military aircraft) currently in the air over Europe as of this moment. Its an incredible sight and obviously daunting to any Russian strategist. Also the majority of these aircraft are only Logistical or Intel aircraft.

    Screenshot_20230316-131005_Chrome.jpg

    Over the Baltic, we see a Swedish AF G4 SIGNIT asset...

    Screenshot_20230316-130900_Chrome.jpg

    Joined by an RAF RC-135W SIGNIT asset

    Screenshot_20230316-130847_Chrome.jpg

    Also in the area, an E8 JSTARS asset

    Screenshot_20230316-130838_Chrome.jpg

    And a Swedish AF Saab SIGNIT

    Screenshot_20230316-130821_Chrome.jpg

    Clearly an intel-hoovering/ "we won't be intimidated" exercise or a prerequisite to a push by Ukraine.

    Bearing in mind, these are aircraft with transponders on. There are many, many aircraft with transponders off flying in the theatre of operations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    that's a pretty normal day from an ISTAR perspective

    edit: it's actually a little less... no "Yank" aircraft from Lithuania/Estonia and no "Brio" aircraft (that seems to be over Romania a lot recently)...

    Not to mention the daily U2 and whatever drones



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia and Chinese pilots have a history of doing close intercepts and then "showboating". Buzzing, doing stunts. In one case a Chinese pilot flew very close and then held up a sign with his email address. (The same pilot died due to a collision during a subsequent intercept).

    That's what I see here. Harassing the drone. Probably trying to spray fuel on the optics. The contact was surely unintentional because it's only sheer luck that the Russian pilot landed safely.

    I think it's a non-issue, neither side want to escalate over an accident. The Americans will keep flying drones and Russia will keep intercepting them. I'd say for a short time they won't do such close intercepts, they'll be a bit sheepish. But eventually they will start at it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I've been trying to figure out where the drone went down, taking into account marine activity on the Black Sea today.

    The US mention that it went down 75 miles southwest of Crimea.

    Here is this rough area:

    Screenshot_20230316-133706_Earth.jpg

    But here is where I've noticed some unusual activity on Marine Traffic:

    Screenshot_20230316-132842_Chrome.jpg

    It's quite a distance away. If you zoom into the highlighted area, you can see a cluster of marine vessels, positioned by satellite around a half hour ago, away from shipping lanes and designated as " tugs".

    Someone is looking for something in this region!

    Could be nothing, seems odd though.

    Screenshot_20230316-132922_Chrome.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Eoin oMurchú, he was Official Sinn Féin/Worker's Party and has written columns for An Phobalacht in Irish.


    He self describes as a Communist Republican and radical Socialist, depending on his mood.


    It's a given he is going to be having a position that isn't a problem for Russia considering his ideology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    French AMX10s have finally arrived in Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The recovery of the MQ-9 wreckage could be difficult. Estimated water depth by the US is 1.2 - 1.5 km

    The orcs have this based in Sevastapol:

    Kommuna salvage vessel.jpg

    Would you look at how old that thing is; 1912! Anyway, if that submersible is all it has available, it might not be very useful as it is rated for 1,000m depth.

    However, Orcs are claiming to have found the wreckage at 'only' 850-900m depth.

    Specialists from the Russian military were able to locate the downed US MQ-9 Reaper drone in the Black Sea on the day of the incident on 14 March. The drone was found on the seabed 60 kilometres from Sevastopol at a depth of 850-900 metres. ForPost was told this by its own source close to the Russian Defence Ministry and familiar with the details of the operation.

       "An underwater robot has descended to the seabed and detected the MQ-9 Reaper at a depth of about 850-900 metres. The deep-sea branch of the South Stream gas pipeline runs close to this area," the source told ForPost.

    According to him, a Russian warship is currently on duty on the surface of the water in the area of the fall of the US aircraft. The perimeter area of the drone crash site is also guarded. The source said that experts are now working out a decision on further actions to lift the drone from the seabed.

       "The depth where the drone is buried is quite considerable. To carry out the ascent, one should use the means used in the lifting of sunken deep-sea submarines," the source told ForPost.

    Such means, ForPost's qualified interlocutor notes, are available to the army and navy, and a plan is being developed to use them effectively in the fall zone of the MQ-9 Reaper.

    The specialist told ForPost that the Russian Defense Ministry is interested in the drone's internal electronics, as well as its engine. In turn, he noted, a scenario is not ruled out in which US forces would try to destroy the drone using their own means before it rises to the surface.

       On Wednesday, March 15, Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev said on the air of the television channel "Russia-1" that the work to lift the fallen drone from the seabed is necessary, and it will be carried out.

    Recall that the American drone MQ-9 Reaper fell into the Black Sea in the morning of March 14 as a result of sharp manoeuvring. At around 9:30 (Moscow time), as confirmed by the Russian Defense Ministry, the MQ-9 drone went into unguided flight with loss of altitude and collided with the water surface. It was noted that the US drone flew with its transponders turned off and violated the boundaries of the area of temporary airspace use, which had been established for the duration of the airspace defense.

    As ForPost wrote, the US military reconnaissance drone MQ-9 Reaper crashed as a result of approaching a Russian Su-27 fighter jet, which was going at supersonic speed.

    Sergey Abramov

    Orc source so dose of salt may be required,: https://sevastopol.su/news/bespilotnik-ssha-mq-9-reaper-nayden-u-sevastopolya-na-glubine-okolo-900-metrov



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Aside: Great Username. Great episode. I only watched it again last week. Every scene is gold



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It wont be worth anything to the russians except for a propaganda «victory» to show the russian people,so they have an excuse to mobilize more troops.

    Next batch of new conscripts are due in April



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Economics101


    If MQ 9 was in international airspace, is it likely that the wreckage is in international waters? If so, what right does Russia have to interfere with a US asset? If Turkey has now allowed US navy ships into the Black Sea, should the US not give a firm notice that it intends to salvage US property?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The international laws anything says anything is up for grabs if in international waters unfortunately,if it was within some countries territorial sea,different story.

    This was a well planned manouvre and attack from Russia.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia don't need permission to attempt salvage. If they successfully salvage it they don't become owners - US can ask for it back and Russia can charge a salvage fee. Russia might give it back in pieces having studied it, or they might just keep it and say they couldn't salvage it.

    There is precedent for both nations trying to salvage each others stuff, it's considered fair game. In the late 60s Russia lost a missile sub and couldn't locate the wreckage. USA found it and secretly built a huge ship that opened at the bottom to try and haul it up without anyone knowing. Seymour Hersh broke the story, same guy who wrote about the Nord Stream pipeline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    That's not the image I was referencing. The Polish Mig29 image is from DCS.

    EDIT:- and I'll add, the vid you referenced is definitely not DCS.

    Nate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But it's definitely not the MQ9 that was taken down,

    Another quoted expert claimed the Su27 couldn't dump fuel ,

    The official video show's something else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The same Romanian publication that quoted retired General Dănilă as saying that the Su27 could not dump fuel in this article yesterday:

    Are talking about how the Su27 dumped fuel in this article today:


    After the initial comment, there was plenty of commentary that it was inconceivable that such a jet would lack the ability to dump fuel, and even before the video came out of it doing so, other evidence was posted that it could indeed dump fuel. So it seems clear that either the General or defenseromania.ro were mistaken in the initial claim.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    For me it was the idea of aircraft which has a fairly large internal tank and doesn't carry any external tanks not being able to dump fuel in an emergency couldn't be right,

    It's possible something got lost in translation ,or the General quoted has zero experience with the Su27 which the Romanian airforce never operated

    Post edited by Gatling on


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