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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,698 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah not a fan of that, it should be driven by student demand not political decree what languages they have access to learn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes he had, but the difference between the Tzars time and Putins is that, the Tzar faced a returning defeated army ( beaten by the Japanese) who faced a very bleak future, no work, no food, massive social and political unrest. All of his control was not near enough to stop the tsunami of unrest that he faced, and so he was swept away. In Putin's Russia, while the first faint stirrings of unrest are starting to show, its containable presently. But if / when it reaches critical mass, the whole rotten structure in the Kremlin will go the same way as the Tsar.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That’s well and fine if there wasn’t an aggressor country known to use Russian speakers as an excuse to attack a country and do all the lovely things like rape, loot and murder. Seems very sensible in the face of a potential existential trigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,698 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I disagree. While Russia openly threatens Latvia, Latvia cannot allow a cuckoo in the nest.

    Russians in Latvia can't be allowed to have a parallel society and have to integrate and use Latvian to access government services. Latvia has a small population of only 2 million. It is the only homeland for Latvians. If you want to be Russian go to Russia.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ukrainian command in Bakhmut.


    All necessary measures are taken to keep Bakhmut - General Syrskyi again came to Bakhmut district


    💬 "It is necessary to gain time to accumulate reserves and start the spring counteroffensive, which is not far off."

    As soon as the Russians take the road to Khromovo, Bakhmut will gradually begin to transform from a fortress into a large mass grave. Then there will be no point in keeping silent about things that have been bothering you for many months. Maybe someone will see treason in them, but I will already sneeze deeply. Patience is running out.

    There are an increasing number of Ukrainians who are unhappy with General Syrskyi and the attempt to hold Bakhmut at all costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Your first comment was that they are removing the option of Russian as a foreign language in schools, not that it must be an official government language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,698 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sorry I was responding just to the schools aspect.

    That has already happened.

    And there was a referendum in 2012 rejecting request for Russia to be added as an official language (70% No).

    So Ukraine can look to precedence if joining the EU on how to approach Russian language.

    Since the Official Language Law came into force in 2000, submitting documents to the government (local included) and state public enterprises is allowed in Latvian only, except in cases specially defined in the law (emergency services, foreign residents, etc.)


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Imagine a country being stupid enough to allow immigrants from hostile countries to form their own parallel society.

    Or as we call it in Western Europe, "Diversity".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    That's how we'll overcome authoritarianism, by being authoritarian. They already exist in the country, they already speak Russian, they have a right to continue in my opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But there government then uses those Russian speakers to sow discent and discord amoung that population of speakers ,then that host country has to right to enforce restrictions including removing the use of that language in Schools, colleges and work places



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The whole trend in Latvia is EU orientated, and the Govt are pushing for the 2nd language to be a European one, and rightly so. Nothing stopping Russians organizing their own language classes, if they are needed. But I'd imagine that the Russian Children will learn their Russian from their parents, in the their home's? And Latvian + European language in the school and normal daily interaction. No one will be forbidden from speaking Russian, it will continue to be used daily amongst Russian speakers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The funeral Ukraine just laid on for Dmytro "Da Vinci" Kotsiubailo is a monumental example of why Urainians are like us and the Orcs might as well be aliens.

    The Orcs leave their wounded and flee. A Ukrainian drone pilot looks down at a muddied battleground and sees an orc missing his left leg from just below the knee, whose been abandoned by his kind; he's still alive and tries to crawl away from under the drone.

    A young lad who was a teen when he went to war in 2014, the youngest recipient of the Hero of Ukraine award, gets the PM, Zelensky, laying a wreath on his coffin, the PM of Finland laying one also, the Defence Minister and head of the armed forces kneel in honor...

    The contrast could hardly be greater.

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    Unfortunately he wasn't the only one. This past week or so in Bakhmut has exacted a terrible human toll on Ukraine.

    A father and son who served together, died; The nonchalent smoker, Tymofiy Shadura, who was shot for saying 'slava ukraini'; the medic, Yana Rykhlitska 'angel' of bakhmut and a Major who had been fighting since 2014, who's details I can't find.

    Bhakmut might still hold, but it's come at a huge cost this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭zv2


    It is very hard to say because we don't know how long (before 2014?) the Russians were stirring up tensions.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We know Russian companies were making a lot of money on lughansk and donesk regions ,80 % of all Ukrainian government subventions and went to Russian companies all with close ties to the Kremlin, Ukraine was a cash cow for the Russians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like HiMars strike again, could well be m270 too ,

    Definitely seeing more single strikes as well and hammering targets in Mariupol which I hope is being used to pull Russian from Melitopol .




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Prigozhin essentially announcing he to run for president of Ukraine,yes Ukraine in 2024 , wonder what his boss thinks






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You can be sure that native Ukrainians had bad memories of life under the Russians, and that would have carried on to a certain extent after their independence, especially in areas where there were large congregations of ethnic Russians. But the level of antagonism or even violence back then pales into insignificance compared to what Putin unleashed. I'd say that by now, the most fervent separatist is deeply regretting the day Putin came in to "protect them". The devil they knew, is a million times better than the one they didn't know ( or in this case, the one they thought they knew)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    When a minority language and ethnicity can be exploited to cause the largest war and loss of life in Europe since WW2, I would totally disagree with you.

    Extinguising the Russian language from Ukraine is as valid a form of self defense as having a military or buying weapons, and probably cheaper and more effective as a preventative measure. It's also righting the wrongs of the past, where Stalin and others supplanted native speakers with Russians, such as the near total ethnic cleansing of Tatars from Crimea in favour of immigrant Russians.

    And do you remember the Ukrainian schoolboy Stepan Chubenko from Kramatorsk, Donetsk region, who was killed by Russian fighters from the Kerch gang just because of the yellow and blue ribbon on his backpack.

    And how many people were murdered by the Russian occupiers just for the Ukrainian language, for a vyshyvanka, for some diploma in yellow and blue colors, or simply because they wanted to kill an unarmed person.

    And this is repeated again and again, every century the Muscovites come to our land to kill, abuse, and commit genocide of the Ukrainian people.

    And our historical mission is to break this circle of suffering and make sure that the Russian empire of evil falls, crumbles into pieces and never again can bring grief to our land and our people. It is our historical mission that our grandchildren and their descendants can live freely and never be attacked by enemies again. Our historical mission is to make Ukraine so strong that no one else can encroach on this land and the will of our people.

    And the realization of this historic mission is now closer and more real than ever before. We must win, not for ourselves, but for posterity.

    If Ukrainians wish to expunge the Russian language from their country, then I would fully support them in such a an effort and believe it's no one elses business. 'Walk a mile in my shoes' would seem to apply; in spades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    500 dead Russians in a single day in bakhmut,

    If the figures are true makes you wonder what Will happen when the big spring counter offensive begins across the lines can't see how they can't break through Russian lines fairly quickly .





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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its the russian speaking population in Moldova,Georgia and Ukraine Putin have used in his seperatists formula to misinform and destabilise for then to invade later.

    Its part of Putins hybrid warfare,and having russian as language you are an easy target for misinformation

    Thats why Ukraine have started to ban it too

    And Germany used the same excuse in 1938 to invade sudetenland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What needs to happen once ukraine is settled ,is Russian populations need to be reduced across Europe, especially with the balkans or stop more Russians travelling to settle in Europe,let the current population dwindle with age,

    Enforce strict Visa controls on anyone coming from Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'd need to know some other statistics before even hazarding a guess at the second part of your post. Russia have, allegedly, mobilised a further 500,000 (?) men since they officially invaded Ukraine a year ago. I was under the impression that Wagner were primarily operating on the Bakhmut front and the proper Wagner soldiers weren't even doing a lot of the really dirty, dangerous fighting, but were leaving that to the tens of thousands of convicts they had recruited, and so it is this group who have - presumably - taken the most casualties. If Wagner can fully take Bakhmut using this brute force tactic of theirs, it still leaves their elite soldiers plus potentially hundreds of thousands of Russian recruits along the whole front line to try and resist a Ukrainian counter attack.

    On the other hand, even assuming that the above figures are broadly true (and I'm not saying for sure that they are, this is just what I have been reading), the new Russian recruits may not be all that motivated or well-equipped or well-fed. And if Ukraine can get the promised weapons and if they can complete the training on them and get organised with it, there's obviously that glittering chance to punch big holes in the Russian front line. They'll certainly have to do something to that effect because winning the war through numbers and grinding attrition warfare is one way I'm quite confident a Ukrainian victory will not come about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    500,000 Mobilised,I'm not so sure they ever did , but even if they did the figures for loses in early January was 25,000 + dead and similar number of injured and incapacitated, in that case by the end of this month they are looking at 75,000 dead ,and possibly an estimated similar number of injured or incapacitated soldiers, that's 150,000 in 12 weeks,in pretty low level localised fighting,as in Most of the actual fighting is taking place in bakhmut, kreminna and zuledar,

    If the Ukrainans push 50,000 men , armor and tanks anywhere along the front Russians won't be able to hold them off based off what were seeing in 3 areas alone ,but I reckon we will be looking at Ukrainian forces 100,000 + men and equipment on the spring counter offensive,

    Hopefully bakhmut is nothing but a grinder to keep the Russians occupied .

    We know ukraine Mobilised 28,000 men recently, but they won't be trained and equipped in a few weeks and thrown into a major offensive, that's playing the same game as the Russians if they go that route



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Noble61, B52 currently north of Estonia. Transponder on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    It was the exiled oligarch Berezovsky who most threatened Putin at one point.

    There was a real good chance at one point that he could have taken Putin down politically, well before Ukraine. Hence 6 assassination attempts before well, spoiler alert.

    You want people like that, and those educated types capable of designing, sourcing and manufacturing, to be able to flee the regime.

    When theres a dictatorship in power you want to leave the means in place for the opposition and rival elites to escape and attack from safety.

    If locked inside Russia they can't oppose and can only add to the dictatorship.

    The stories of Russian oligarchs in London (and their many eventual fatal accidents) are fascinating.


    of course some oligarchs don't meet strange ends in London. some of them end up befriending Bojo and become lords.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think that must depend on what direction Russian society takes if and when Russia is defeated in Ukraine. You do have to at least leave the door open for rehabilitation of a country and its society, otherwise you're essentially helping engineer more conflict down the road. Obviously Russia would have to work on itself in order for that rehab to happen, though. If it doesn't, then what you're suggesting would probably be the only way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Iran is buying su35s from Russia,it's been in the pipeline for several years,but I think Irans weapons to Russia helped seal the deal,

    But won't be much use against the Israelis upgraded F35s,





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