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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    Here's a quote from it-

    He quotes one DNR soldier telling him, "We somehow managed to live these eight years without you – we would have kept on living." The man was a forcibly recruited prisoner. This suggests the DNR soldiers blame Russia for dragging them into the current war.

    That's the thing; they brought this upon themselves with their separatism, which is what started this war in the first place; useful idiots.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭macraignil


    With the volume of war crimes being committed by the russians in Ukraine it would make sense for any civilised country to discuss trying to help. When you say "West" I assume you mean the countries in the general direction russia is attacking with its military invasion force that is still in Ukraine and launching long range missiles towards with a number of incidences now where these missiles have entered the airspace of countries to the west of Ukraine. To not discuss potential ways to deal with the largest terrorist state on the planet would be just negligent in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    100 Older leopard 1 to be delivered around may to Ukraine,but this reads slightly confusing 100 tanks ,but a total of 80-90 to be delivered in 2023 (translation off )

    Enough for 7 battilions if I remember correctly





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    Mighty stuff. Russian Buk goes up in flames-


    Post edited by zv2 on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, the Georgians don't like ethnic Russian's, very few of the republics do, strange as it may seem. The Ethnic Russians bringing claims against locals in the rural republics, with the local judiciary, generally do not do very well. But with Georgia, it's another example of Putin's spider web in action. But now Georgians have seen it for what it is and are calling for fresh elections. Good for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    A colleague of mine ( one of two, the 2nd one got killed) who was working in Donbas in 2014 was telling me even back then that I should not believe 100% unquestionably all that was being printed and shown on TV as being on-sided. He likened it to the situation in the situation in Northern Ireland when Catholics were being actively discriminated against, which caused resentment and eventually the troubles. So it was the same in Donbas, but Putin exploited it, and used it as an excuse to invade Ukraine. But it had been smouldering away for a very long time pre 2014, when Putin fanned it into flames. None the less, the ethnic Russians in Donbas, were not as welcoming to Putin as some claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Well it does raise an inconvenient question. If Ukraine wants to join the EU, they will have to respect the rights of ethnic Russians and allow the Russian language to be taught in school etc, even after this war, even with known combatants and relatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Would that explain Orbans about face re Hungarys future relationship with Russia? Or was that caused by the looming cloud of EU financial sanctions on Hungary?



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When are you going to stop being a troll

    Is Prigozhin paying you weekends too now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yup. And I'm pretty sure that they will. When Putin is defeated and Ukraine orc free, there will have to be EU / NATO /US ( to be decided ) monitored general amnesty, which is normal practice after a war ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,060 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah not a fan of that, it should be driven by student demand not political decree what languages they have access to learn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes he had, but the difference between the Tzars time and Putins is that, the Tzar faced a returning defeated army ( beaten by the Japanese) who faced a very bleak future, no work, no food, massive social and political unrest. All of his control was not near enough to stop the tsunami of unrest that he faced, and so he was swept away. In Putin's Russia, while the first faint stirrings of unrest are starting to show, its containable presently. But if / when it reaches critical mass, the whole rotten structure in the Kremlin will go the same way as the Tsar.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s well and fine if there wasn’t an aggressor country known to use Russian speakers as an excuse to attack a country and do all the lovely things like rape, loot and murder. Seems very sensible in the face of a potential existential trigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,060 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I disagree. While Russia openly threatens Latvia, Latvia cannot allow a cuckoo in the nest.

    Russians in Latvia can't be allowed to have a parallel society and have to integrate and use Latvian to access government services. Latvia has a small population of only 2 million. It is the only homeland for Latvians. If you want to be Russian go to Russia.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ukrainian command in Bakhmut.


    All necessary measures are taken to keep Bakhmut - General Syrskyi again came to Bakhmut district


    💬 "It is necessary to gain time to accumulate reserves and start the spring counteroffensive, which is not far off."

    As soon as the Russians take the road to Khromovo, Bakhmut will gradually begin to transform from a fortress into a large mass grave. Then there will be no point in keeping silent about things that have been bothering you for many months. Maybe someone will see treason in them, but I will already sneeze deeply. Patience is running out.

    There are an increasing number of Ukrainians who are unhappy with General Syrskyi and the attempt to hold Bakhmut at all costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Your first comment was that they are removing the option of Russian as a foreign language in schools, not that it must be an official government language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,060 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sorry I was responding just to the schools aspect.

    That has already happened.

    And there was a referendum in 2012 rejecting request for Russia to be added as an official language (70% No).

    So Ukraine can look to precedence if joining the EU on how to approach Russian language.

    Since the Official Language Law came into force in 2000, submitting documents to the government (local included) and state public enterprises is allowed in Latvian only, except in cases specially defined in the law (emergency services, foreign residents, etc.)


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Imagine a country being stupid enough to allow immigrants from hostile countries to form their own parallel society.

    Or as we call it in Western Europe, "Diversity".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    That's how we'll overcome authoritarianism, by being authoritarian. They already exist in the country, they already speak Russian, they have a right to continue in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But there government then uses those Russian speakers to sow discent and discord amoung that population of speakers ,then that host country has to right to enforce restrictions including removing the use of that language in Schools, colleges and work places



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The whole trend in Latvia is EU orientated, and the Govt are pushing for the 2nd language to be a European one, and rightly so. Nothing stopping Russians organizing their own language classes, if they are needed. But I'd imagine that the Russian Children will learn their Russian from their parents, in the their home's? And Latvian + European language in the school and normal daily interaction. No one will be forbidden from speaking Russian, it will continue to be used daily amongst Russian speakers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,769 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The funeral Ukraine just laid on for Dmytro "Da Vinci" Kotsiubailo is a monumental example of why Urainians are like us and the Orcs might as well be aliens.

    The Orcs leave their wounded and flee. A Ukrainian drone pilot looks down at a muddied battleground and sees an orc missing his left leg from just below the knee, whose been abandoned by his kind; he's still alive and tries to crawl away from under the drone.

    A young lad who was a teen when he went to war in 2014, the youngest recipient of the Hero of Ukraine award, gets the PM, Zelensky, laying a wreath on his coffin, the PM of Finland laying one also, the Defence Minister and head of the armed forces kneel in honor...

    The contrast could hardly be greater.

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    Unfortunately he wasn't the only one. This past week or so in Bakhmut has exacted a terrible human toll on Ukraine.

    A father and son who served together, died; The nonchalent smoker, Tymofiy Shadura, who was shot for saying 'slava ukraini'; the medic, Yana Rykhlitska 'angel' of bakhmut and a Major who had been fighting since 2014, who's details I can't find.

    Bhakmut might still hold, but it's come at a huge cost this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    It is very hard to say because we don't know how long (before 2014?) the Russians were stirring up tensions.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We know Russian companies were making a lot of money on lughansk and donesk regions ,80 % of all Ukrainian government subventions and went to Russian companies all with close ties to the Kremlin, Ukraine was a cash cow for the Russians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like HiMars strike again, could well be m270 too ,

    Definitely seeing more single strikes as well and hammering targets in Mariupol which I hope is being used to pull Russian from Melitopol .




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Prigozhin essentially announcing he to run for president of Ukraine,yes Ukraine in 2024 , wonder what his boss thinks






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You can be sure that native Ukrainians had bad memories of life under the Russians, and that would have carried on to a certain extent after their independence, especially in areas where there were large congregations of ethnic Russians. But the level of antagonism or even violence back then pales into insignificance compared to what Putin unleashed. I'd say that by now, the most fervent separatist is deeply regretting the day Putin came in to "protect them". The devil they knew, is a million times better than the one they didn't know ( or in this case, the one they thought they knew)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,769 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    When a minority language and ethnicity can be exploited to cause the largest war and loss of life in Europe since WW2, I would totally disagree with you.

    Extinguising the Russian language from Ukraine is as valid a form of self defense as having a military or buying weapons, and probably cheaper and more effective as a preventative measure. It's also righting the wrongs of the past, where Stalin and others supplanted native speakers with Russians, such as the near total ethnic cleansing of Tatars from Crimea in favour of immigrant Russians.

    And do you remember the Ukrainian schoolboy Stepan Chubenko from Kramatorsk, Donetsk region, who was killed by Russian fighters from the Kerch gang just because of the yellow and blue ribbon on his backpack.

    And how many people were murdered by the Russian occupiers just for the Ukrainian language, for a vyshyvanka, for some diploma in yellow and blue colors, or simply because they wanted to kill an unarmed person.

    And this is repeated again and again, every century the Muscovites come to our land to kill, abuse, and commit genocide of the Ukrainian people.

    And our historical mission is to break this circle of suffering and make sure that the Russian empire of evil falls, crumbles into pieces and never again can bring grief to our land and our people. It is our historical mission that our grandchildren and their descendants can live freely and never be attacked by enemies again. Our historical mission is to make Ukraine so strong that no one else can encroach on this land and the will of our people.

    And the realization of this historic mission is now closer and more real than ever before. We must win, not for ourselves, but for posterity.

    If Ukrainians wish to expunge the Russian language from their country, then I would fully support them in such a an effort and believe it's no one elses business. 'Walk a mile in my shoes' would seem to apply; in spades.



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