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Ah OK. Must be some operation transporting that kind of weight and size back home to the US, you'd think it would make more sense to leave them where is and have the relevant technicians come to them. Maybe the latter approach isn't politically palatable.

I read somewhere that there are already Ukrainian pilots in the US being assessed on simulators how as to how long it will take for them to learn to fly the f16

edit: Missed your last post regarding this

Unfortunately the official story goes that the US is only assessing how well they can fly simulator versions of their own aircraft, and not any US fighters.

Speaking of inexplicable aviation craziness involving fighters, this is quite weird:

What I find comical about the whole situation is the fact that there are these private Russian armies in Ukraine at all. They're sort of independent of the regular Russian military but yet seem beholden to the Russian state for supplies, so they are in effect like a rogue battalion. It'd be like if you were watching the Falklands war back in the day and you saw that the British government decided to let Mad Mike Hoare get stuck in.

I think that its more understandable when you treat Russia as a mafia state, (which is what it is) with Don Putin as the Capo de Capo. Under the Russian Constitution, private army's are illegal, but Prigozhin serves Putin as a deniable branch of Government. And he's a very good source of income too. In any country he was or is working in, he has also being massively stealing from. Once a criminal, always a criminal. The world will be a much better place the day he leaves it and returns to where he came from IE: Hell.

Win win for Russia though.

That's a shame.

The point is it's only simulator time.

Not going to do Ukraine any good in the near to distant future,

It's going to take more than 3 week's to lean how to fly any western aircraft, along with the various advanced training for air combat maneuvers and percision strikes

You will generally find that people who hold those kind of opinions about Russia, that they are conservative and traditional, have not actually lived there.

Yes training on new equipment takes time.

The issue is the reluctance to train in advance of agreeing to send Ukraine stuff.

Bradley's sitting in Poland, Leopards sitting in Poland. All waiting for Ukrainian's to be trained on them.

If Ukrainian soldiers were trained on them 3 months ago, there's a high chance the tanks and Bradley's would be already on the battlefield.

The Patriot system, announced December 2022, training begun Jan 2023, still not deployed.

Had the Ukrainians been trained on them say 4 months ago, it could easily have been deployed already in Ukraine and prevented a lot of destruction of their energy system etc...

I completely understand the reluctance to supply X, I don't understand the reluctance to train in advance.

X can be replaced with Self propelled Artillery, HIMARS, Bradley's, Abrams, Patriot systems etc...

Four Swiss bankers are going on trial this Wednesday accused of not taking due diligence in accounting for millions being lodged in their bank. The suggested owner is Sergei Roldugin. A godfather of Vladimer Putin's daughter and reported personal bank current account holder for Putin.

(Russia is a sham of a country as everyone knows. What everyone may not know is that Putin uses his friends names and confidents to act as his bank accounts. He's on a modest presidential salary you know.)

Story here.

To continue the story. Apparently Roldugin had a health emergency. So Yesterday a plane was flown from Frankfurt to Moscow and back to Nurnberg.

The trial of the bankers is on Wednesday.

Looks like more strikes behind enemy lines from HiMars.......

Several hundred dead an all to familiar story...

Heard words the attic was being used this time..

Or to be blunt know nothing at all about the reality of modern Russia. It really is the crudest "my enemy's enemy" 'reasoning': Russia is nothing like a western-style liberal democracy therefore it must be something like the Christian Nation we want the United States to be...

I think you're really failing to grasp what some people are arguing.....

If Ukrainian troops were trained in advance of equipment being delivered/announced, there would be little delay from announcement to being on the battlefield.

All the soviet era equipment supplied to Ukraine has been put on the battlefield without delay, why? Because Ukrainian soldiers were already trained on them.

I don't see how you cannot grasp that.

I'm not talking about 2 weeks, I'm talking about months in advance.

Maybe this is easier to understand.... If the US decide to send Ukraine fighter jets 6 months from now and they take 6 months to train on.... when would the ideal time to start training Ukrainian's?

Now or 6 months from now?