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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 slavaslavcoleslaw


    exactly... all more the reason for Ukraine to continue counter offensives

    when Ukraine have their land back, it will meet that Russian dialogue of "Ukraine don't want to meet us at the peace table for some reason"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,463 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Then you're back to this quandary:

    If you're serious about wishing for peace, outline your peace plan for everyone and then we'll see how committed to peace you really are.

    But maybe an easier one for you.

    What action today will bring us to a peaceful resolution in the fastest way possible with the least amount of deaths?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Hopefully when this war is over and Ukraine has their land and country back. That this blond rashist gets her own medicine given back to her and booted back to Russia. THUGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Russia Is Getting Around Sanctions to Secure Supply of Key Chips for War

    Imports of chips from Turkey, UAE have soared since invasion

    European goods may be reaching Russia through those countries

    Russia looks to be successfully working around European Union and Group of Seven sanctions to secure crucial semiconductors and other technologies for its war in Ukraine, according to a senior European diplomat.

    Russian imports in general have largely returned to their pre-war 2020 levels and analysis of trade data suggests that advanced chips and integrated circuits made in the EU and other allied nations are being shipped to Russia through third countries such as Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Kazakhstan, the diplomat said, pointing to those private assessments.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-04/putin-gets-military-tech-chips-semiconductors-despite-eu-and-g-7-sanctions#xj4y7vzkg?leadSource=uverify%20wall

    So while an unfortunately highly experienced Ukrainian SAR unit scours the rubble for survivors after the terrible earthquake in Turkey, Erdogan helps Russia circumvent technology sanctions so the Orcs can continue to build missiles with which to kill the families of that SAR team and possibly themselves at a later date. While also playing the other side by selling Ukraine Baykar Bayraktar drones. I'd also be surprised if Turkey didn't also turn a blind eye to the Orc ships full of stolen Ukrainian grain that they let through on their way to the UAE and Syria and so on.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Diplomatic intervention has to happen. If the right people were involved, a ceasefire agreed and negotiations took place to find a roadmap towards a desired outcome I think a peaceful outcome could be found.


    Things are probably too hot at the moment and it might need a change of personalities for it to happen but continued slaughter on both sides is not going to end this. It will likely require require a ‘nuclear’ event, excuse the phrase, such as the death of one of the presidents to force things to move into the diplomatic stage. In the short term the fighting is not likely to end but championing death and slaughter is just contributing to the delay in reaching a conflict ending solution in my view



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But lasting diplomatic solutions can only be achieved if the loss of men and equipment is so great they can never threaten the borders of Ukraine ever again.

    Without that happening diplomatic solutions only last as long as the next madman decides he's going to finish the job putin couldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'm not a fan of diplomacy, but once ukraine has driven the Orc filth from all their lands, including of course Crimea, well then The Orcs can beg for mercy and the diplomats can talk terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,463 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So beyond you wishing putin would die (as zelensky dying likely woudn't change much) what is the next most likely thing to bring about peace talks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's the Russian psyche to get pleasure from others pain. When you think of it that way it explains lots from the imperialism, the conquest of smaller nations, the boarish behaviour of expats abroad. Any of this cannot be done by one man.




  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    What do you propose?Ukraine giving up the land they have fought for the last 9 years,so Russia can take bit by bit of Ukraine like they do in Georgia and Moldova,and keep the Ukrainan economy at bay by controlling eastern ukraine with a landbridge to Crimea,and bring back their Navy to Crimea to keep control of the shipping in and out of Ukraine once again?

    There is only one choice for Ukraine,win to survive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    A couple of things could trigger it, Ukrainian accession to the EU (unlikely), a change in US president next year, a shift in support away from Russia from its few remaining allies. A Ukrainian offensive could be another catalyst but it could also escalate matters if Russia or its allies respond with greater force.

    How do you see things playing out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukraine getting a squadron of F-15 strike eagles, a squadron of A-10s, and 6 of Australia's F-18 Growlers and a lot of containers full of expensive decorations to hang off them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Absolutely we will be rejoicing,

    Remember in Russia where they have relatives in Ukraine they celebrate the mass slaughter of Ukrainans,they celebrate whenever Russian media shows the latest missle strikes on ukraine.

    Not only will we be rejoicing,the whole of Ukraine will be rejoicing, Poland, Moldova, Lithuania, Estonia,lativa Finland, Sweden and any other countries who have had to live under the spectre of a Russian attack or invasion of their sovereign territories



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Jesus, this place may have well been nuked. I don't think any place got this plastered since WW2. If you want an impression as to just how many rounds of explosives are being flung around, what would it take to do this to a town?




  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    If somebody said this was a picture of Hiroshima you'd not dispute it. Crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tens of thousands at a minimum?

    It's like what you expect to see in post apocalyptic movies, only we all know it's not a movie set,

    Horrific to think Russia actually believes this is justified



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I posted a drone flight showing the destruction of poor Marinka, after seeing Ukrainians use tears emojis when it's mentioned and researching to find out why.

    And fighting is still ongoing there, I believe.

    How many rounds does it take to manage to hit every tree and bush and to eradicate everything green?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Kadyrov seriously ill? Surprising reports: He was poisoned

    Cezary Faber Yesterday, March 4

    Kadyrov was poisoned?

    The reports of the German daily are confirmed by the Russian oppositionist Leonid Nevzlin. The former oligarch wrote on social media that Kadyrov has kidney problems and therefore did not participate in Vladimir Putin's speech before the Federal Assembly.

    The German daily noted that Ramzan Kadyrov has gained weight significantly over the past few months. In the videos he publishes on Telegram, he looks swollen and often can't open his eyes...

    Chechen political activist Akhmied Zakayev, who is currently in exile in London, said Kadyrov had serious kidney problems.

    This would explain both his swelling and absence during Vladimir Putin's speech to the Federal Assembly on 21 February.

    "Bild" reported, citing information from Kazakh journalist Kazamata Maitanov, that a close ally of the Russian president brought a doctor from the United Arab Emirates to Chechnya because he does not trust Russian medics.

    Dr. Yassin Ibrahim M. El-Shahat, a nephrologist at Burjeel Hospital in Abu Dhabi, was to fly to Grozny, the capital of the autonomous Chechen republic.

    The Russian also confirmed that the Chechen leader is being treated in the United Arab Emirates. While he is in Grozny, he is visited by the aforementioned doctor from Abu Dhabi.

    Nevzlin reported that - according to his sources - the cause of kidney problems was poisoning. Kadyrov reportedly caused problems among Russian generals, who in turn have access to substances developed by the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU).

    Nothing remotely like what he deserves, but it's better than nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    NATO supreme commander U.S. Army General Christopher Cavoli ,has claimed Russian losses are at 200,000 + men ....


    We've not seen losses like that since the Korean war ,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭Wolf359f




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭jmreire



    Given a choice in the matter, no normal person would like to kill or be killed or have relatives killed. But when you have a monster who creates a situation that puts people in a situation where it's kill or be killed. You have the attackers and the defenders. But in this case, these particular attackers are the most vile and inhuman as the world has ever seen. They leave a trail of depravity and destruction behind them, that brings a hatred of them from everyone, not only the relatives of the murdered, but everyone. And all who wear the same uniform get tarred with the same brush. It will take generations if ever, to forgive them, and when these murderers are destroyed, its not a cause for regret, but for rejoicing. Their inhumanity has has caused people to see them as less than human. Instead of blaming Ukrainian's for defending themselves against attacking Russian Soldiers or insinuating Board's members are bloodthirsty, put the blame squarely where it lies. Vladimir Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Its SOP for the Russians. Grozny looked the same, and parts of Damascus and Aleppo also. It was hard to find an undamaged street or suburb, but many areas were just levelled like what we are seeing in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Those pictures of Marinka are something else.

    I remember they completely destroyed Volnovakha early on in the war too. Pre-war population of 21k. I don't remember seeing any images like that though.

    It's such a depressing doctrine that the Russians seem to subscribe to: "We will destroy every building in a settlement to make it impossible to defend and then we will advance to take ownership of the ashes".

    They're like some kind of imperial locusts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    While we all stood by.


    Seems nothing has changed and Putin continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,917 ✭✭✭eire4


    IMHO the key solution after this is over is that Ukraine becomes part of both the EU and NATO and that puts an end to aggression from the Russian authoritarian dictatorship in for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,917 ✭✭✭eire4


    It will be the beginning of solving the problem that is the authoritarian dictatorship in Russia for the foreseeable yes. Afterward then Ukraine joins both the EU and NATO.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    Just imagine you're a citizen of Marinka - you have your little home full of your possessions acquired over the years, maybe a bit of garden that you grow a few veggies in and sit out in when the sun shines. You have a dog, cat, or other pets that are part of the family. You work locally, shop locally, your kids go to the local schools. You might have friends that you meet up with in town for a meal, or an evening out. You wish your neighbours 'Merry Christmas!' every year ... just a normal, simple little life.

    Now imagine you see your town, your home, completely wiped off the face of the Earth as we're seeing in these pictures - could you stand to go back there? To start all over again surrounded by the ghosts of your former life? And that's without even considering that you might be the lone survivor of your family and friends group.

    This has got to be part of the Russian SOP, an actual, genuine cleansing. The original inhabitants are either dead or don't want to return, your own people can come in to a fresh slate and loyally expand your empire.

    The invasion of Ukraine is wrong, anyone participating in it by action or inaction is wrong, and the Ukrainians have the right to use deadly force to protect their internationally agreed borders and their citizens. It really is that simple.



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