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Update from Denys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8vLOAdQSwk

The interesting thing about many of these people who 'just want peace' is that they're placing obligation of offering the olive branch on the invaded rather than invader. Not that it would be the first time in history that an invaded state has had to sue for peace and settle for a loss of territory, but in this case there are some incorrect assumptions underpinning the argument like, 1) that Ukraine is about to be militarily defeated, 2) that Russia acts in good faith or 3) that Russia would be even interested in a lasting peace.

Ultimately, this is all up to the Ukrainians. Zelenskyy cannot prosecute a war if his people don't want to fight it, just as the Afghan National Army succumbed in almost no time to the Taliban, despite having all this supposed training and gear.

But the Ukrainian people do (by and large) want to fight Russia off. That only leaves the question of whether the West should keep supplying military aid. There are those who say that by supplying all of this aid, the suffering is only prolonged. What these people completely fail to understand is the suffering exacted by withdrawing that aid and the unthinkably bloody, brutal ethnic cleansing, i.e. a systematic genocide, that would follow across the entirety of Ukraine in order to ensure that it never strayed from Russia's dominion ever again.

In reality has an invading force ever just pulled out after a short period of war? I can’t think of any examples. Do posters honestly think that a Ukrainian offensive to the border will be the ultimate solution and will end the conflict?

@ParkRunner

Not that I think a Ukrainian offensive to push Russia out of Ukraine is imminent, but if one were to happen, Russia wouldn't have much means to make significant inroads back into that territory, if current speed of advancement is anything to go by. They'd have to significantly up the ante, if you know what I mean, and that would put the world into a place I don't think Putin wants to go as it puts his own survival in great jeopardy.

At this stage, the conflict is never going to end because there is too much hatred between the sides, even if there are phases of no physical hostilities, e.g. the Armenians and the Azeri.

It might just be this thread. There are a few keyboard based special forces badasses in here. Meal team 6.

exactly... all more the reason for Ukraine to continue counter offensives

when Ukraine have their land back, it will meet that Russian dialogue of "Ukraine don't want to meet us at the peace table for some reason"

Hopefully when this war is over and Ukraine has their land and country back. That this blond rashist gets her own medicine given back to her and booted back to Russia. THUGS.

Diplomatic intervention has to happen. If the right people were involved, a ceasefire agreed and negotiations took place to find a roadmap towards a desired outcome I think a peaceful outcome could be found.

Things are probably too hot at the moment and it might need a change of personalities for it to happen but continued slaughter on both sides is not going to end this. It will likely require require a ‘nuclear’ event, excuse the phrase, such as the death of one of the presidents to force things to move into the diplomatic stage. In the short term the fighting is not likely to end but championing death and slaughter is just contributing to the delay in reaching a conflict ending solution in my view

I'm not a fan of diplomacy, but once ukraine has driven the Orc filth from all their lands, including of course Crimea, well then The Orcs can beg for mercy and the diplomats can talk terms.

It's the Russian psyche to get pleasure from others pain. When you think of it that way it explains lots from the imperialism, the conquest of smaller nations, the boarish behaviour of expats abroad. Any of this cannot be done by one man.

A couple of things could trigger it, Ukrainian accession to the EU (unlikely), a change in US president next year, a shift in support away from Russia from its few remaining allies. A Ukrainian offensive could be another catalyst but it could also escalate matters if Russia or its allies respond with greater force.

How do you see things playing out?

Absolutely we will be rejoicing,

Remember in Russia where they have relatives in Ukraine they celebrate the mass slaughter of Ukrainans,they celebrate whenever Russian media shows the latest missle strikes on ukraine.

Not only will we be rejoicing,the whole of Ukraine will be rejoicing, Poland, Moldova, Lithuania, Estonia,lativa Finland, Sweden and any other countries who have had to live under the spectre of a Russian attack or invasion of their sovereign territories

I posted a drone flight showing the destruction of poor Marinka, after seeing Ukrainians use tears emojis when it's mentioned and researching to find out why.

And fighting is still ongoing there, I believe.

How many rounds does it take to manage to hit every tree and bush and to eradicate everything green?

NATO supreme commander U.S. Army General Christopher Cavoli ,has claimed Russian losses are at 200,000 + men ....

We've not seen losses like that since the Korean war ,