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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,300 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    And it seems Leo is reading the room and testing the water to see if some form of stricter immigration control can be implemented.

    I think this is a smart move and could be a way to pull votes away from SF, whom so far havent committed to saying we have too many refugees/AS coming in because they know the vote base wants to see a cap imposed more than any other group.

    If ireland has taken in more ukranians per capita than any country in europe outside of the border countries with Ukraine, there has to be leverage with the EU to slow the numbers into Ireland until the other countries catch up - which they never will.

    I get the sense this could be the strategy from FG to claw back votes before the GE.

    It would put SF in an awkward position because Leo could confront them on their policy. At the moment, all 3 parties are favouring current immigration levels so they cant criticise each other.

    But if FG break rank, they can push SF for a stance. I think SF then lose votes either way. Their core base wants a cap on immigrants, so if SF oppose a cap they will cause infighting and lose votes

    If they promote a cap, they will lose support from the left wing voter base they have been courting these last few years.

    The obvious move for FG will play out I believe and it could cause a check mate situation for SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Amusingly perverse headline to Fintan O’Toole's latest piece given that the IT's own poll just showed that 84% oppose the govmt's immigration policies. I fully expect Saint Fintan will be spending more time abroad, in front of audiences telling them what they've paid to hear, rather than learning the ignorant Irish. Ah well, that's our loss then ;-)

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/02/25/fintan-otoole-people-screaming-abuse-at-asylum-seekers-are-not-stupid-they-do-it-because-they-enjoy-it/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭clytemnestra


    He is such a wally these days, so out of touch. I used to really like him but I hate the way he still flies the "wurrking class" flag while he obviously has total contempt for those people now. Imagine what his own people would have thought if Ireland had been flooded with people from every corner of the globe back when he was growing up in Crumlin in the 1960s. The decent hardworking people he grew up with, people who worked manual jobs and who had no connections or capital, and nothing to barter with but their labour. What would they have thought about their wages being eroded, their kids struggling to find a place in the local school or a GP appointment, the impossibility of getting a Corpo house or renting or buying privately? I suspect they might have got a bit "far right" about the whole thing, and he knows that if he was only honest enough to admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I believe Ukrainians fleeing war should be provided with safety and security in this country.

    However as the war enters its second year, with no end in sight, I think, in the interests of safety and fairness, Ukrainian vehicles should be required to have insurance and a road safety certificate to remain on Irish roads.

    I have yet to see a Ukrainian vehicle with an insurance disc displayed.

    This in no way reflects criticism of Ukrainians fleeing here but they should be treated equally to Irish people who must display insurance.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Ukrainian vehicles are not required to be taxed.

    Vehicles are required to display an insurance disc and I have never seen an insurance disc on a Ukrainian registered vehicle. I saw three in a car park outside a cafe today. Nothing displayed.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I see they're blocking the crossroads at Clarehall Tesco this evening lol. Saw a vid on Reddit, about 30 of them I'd say with "no to unvetted males" banners. The f*cking gall of them protesting like this in Darndale of all places when they've done nothing about the rampant crime in the area for decades. If ever you needed proof these protesters are braindead morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yes, total brain dead morons as you say. They should all be deported.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I wouldn't want to inflict them upon anyone else



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭relevanc


    Do I need to pay any vehicle tax when I enter Ireland?

    Ukrainians can apply for an exemption from this where a vehicle is temporarily brought into Ireland, known as a ‘vehicle temporary exemption’. 

    source: https://www.rsa.ie/docs/default-source/road-safety/ukrainian-drivers/faqs-for-driving-a-car-in-ireland-dec-2022---english.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer



    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1984/si/355/made/en/print


    The next time you see a Ukrainian registered vehicle have a look if it has an insurance disc displayed in compliance with the law.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,525 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    This thread is about accommodation of non Ukrainian refugees and it's impact on accommodation for Ukrainian refugees. It's not to discuss vehicle taxes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    My home village has a closed hotel and a house across the road that are accomodating non Ukrainian asylum seekers. The old school was bought at auction last year and works are underway to turn it into accommodation for asylum seekers or refugees. There is another old building at the top of the town, an unfinished Celtic tiger eye sore that is also rumoured to have been bought up for the same purpose.

    It's a small village of about 400



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    As others have said in this thread, who cares about the far right prostestors?

    The point is that the majority of the population, according to the polls, are against the current immigration policy.

    71% of people want an immigration cap inroduced & that rises to 81% for SF voters!

    Thats what the govt and the left wing should take on board, but they strawman the argument by focusing only on the tiny minority of far right extremists, conveniently ignoring the fact that the majority of the population dont and will never hurl abuse at immigrants, but they DO want to see some controls put in place that restrict the numbers entering the country.

    The streotyping of anyone that doesnt welcome unrestricted immigration with open arms by the left is childish and short sighted.

    Its like saying everyone that walks up or down Oconnell Street in the morning is a junkie.

    1% probably are. But thats it.

    1% of people opposed to immigration are far right extremist. But thats it.

    Heads up for the govt...maybe focus on the relativley silent 99% that see issue with the current immigration policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yes i am aware everyone wants new immigration laws, i was just giving out about the idiots holding up traffic etc who aren't really achieving anything if you ask me, they just seem to be xenophobes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭lmao10


    They probably became economic migrants and emigrated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    O'Gorman on Anton show this morning about the new accommodations being rolled out, even on this softest pre-recorded interview he came across as frustrated and mildly aggressive. Followed the script of blaming the 1% while ignoring that 84% don't agree with the govmt's immigration policy. The interview did make clear how desperate the govmt are for Catherine Martin's Online act to come into effect so that we are all kept "safe" ;-)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It's hilarious how much Roderick O'Gorman triggers people of a certain persuasion :)

    You know you're doing the job right when those people are getting triggered constantly lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭JohnJoFitz


    You must be completely simple if you think he is doing the job right. I'd hate to see what it would look like if he was doing the job wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    Keep em coming..sure we're a great country.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Foreigner commits crime. I remember when I lived in Australia there were a number of different crimes involving Irish people but I don't remember the Aussies branding all foreigners as bad, which is what you're trying to do here. One was a stabbing in a hostel by an Irish bloke. Unless we shut ourselves out to the outside world NK style there'll always be foreigners here, and some will commit crimes. That's the way of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    Ah whataboutery the last refuge of the defeated.

    I didn't brand all foreigners as bad.

    I'm highlighting the fact that Ukrainians can drive to Ireland through several safe countries from a supposed war zone and drive on Irish roads in vehicles that require no NCT, tax or insurance.

    I'm sure the family of the man killed will be delighted that an Irish bloke allegedly stabbed someone in a hostel so that makes it okay in your eyes as just the way of the world.

    I really do despair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,517 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Agree with you here.

    What a nonsense statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Is that true Ukrainians can drive here with no insurance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm not sure but there were already something like 200,000 uninsured cars driving on our roads before the war



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    It just seems a bit strange that people who are used to driving on the other side of the road are just let drive all around the place, like what happens if they hit someone?

    With no insurance and no money its the innocent party that foots the bill.



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