Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Mac_Lad71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366779#Comment_120366779

54% of people in receipt in hap in a small county like Longford are non-Irish citizens.

Extrapolate these figures across the whole country and you have a significant contributing factor to the housing crisis.

Asylum seekers are in hotels as I illustrate below.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/one-in-seven-irish-hotels-now-housing-refugees-and-asylum-seekers-1389781

Again I'm providing links to illustrate my point.

You're not.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366999#Comment_120366999

And of those 54% of almost 400 people~~~~ only 59 are non EEA, so people who have been granted asylum. Not fakeugees or unvetted males or whatever your buzzwords are today, so do you think that people entitled to be here claiming a payment they're entitled to is the issue?

Again I'm providing links to illustrate my point.

Your point that people not in houses are creating the housing crisis?

Who said they're all living in hotels?

This was your quote? So where's your proof that asylum seekers are in any way a factor in the housing crisis.

Mac_Lad71

Where's your proof they aren't.

Beasty

Mad_Lad71 threadbanned

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366081#Comment_120366081

Asylum seekers can get a status here after 2 years regardless of how legitimate the claim get welfare and can apply for HAP with assistance from the multiple ngo,s.The cost of keeping those with no legitimate claim could be spent on housing for Irish citizens.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120365656#Comment_120365656

I worry it will lead to increased calls for Ukraine to be allowed into the EU, which by almost any objective criteria they are not suitable.

minimary

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/03/17/five-hospitalised-and-two-men-charged-after-fight-at-citywest-refugee-hub/

Another fight in Citywest

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367035#Comment_120367035

"entitled to be here claiming a payment they're entitled to is the issue?"

There's the problem. There shouldn't be any entitlement. Ireland is a welfare state that is attracting more and more would be welfare recipients.

The small pool who are paying for all of this goodwill are rewarded with increasing pension age, extremely long health waiting lists, poor public services etc

Not sustainable and as sure as night follows day will continue to deteriorate the social contract

rgossip30

A notable increase in the acceptance rate for asylum seekers in 2021 at first instance with only a 5.5%rejection. Georgia regarded as a safe country has a rejction rate of 1.1% only !! .This appears to suggest that positive dcisions free up space for new arrivals but it makes Ireland more attractive to the world . The overall rejction rate for the EU is 61% at first instance .The asylum fast track decision to remain .

tps://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics/

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120371977#Comment_120371977

We all know there will be another "once off" amnesty. Then another after that, then another.

The political class just seem completely unwilling to do anything about illegal immigrants.

Nosler

I just dont understand why it is acceptable for Africans and Asians etc to come to Europe and economically exploit Europeans.

Why should Europeans have to work and pay taxes so that someone from Somalia/ Pakistan/ Afghanistan/ Nigeria/ India/ Albania etc can come here and get a free house and free money?

Europeans are definitely held to a higher moral standard than other races. No one criticises China, Japan, South Kores, Saudi Arabia etc for not taking asylum seekers. Yet if you're a European and say you're against taking asylum seekers you're a "hard right extremist racist".

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120371977#Comment_120371977

The scheme ended 7August 2022 the link I looked at did not state this .

clytemnestra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120372050#Comment_120372050

It also undermines the social contract underpinning European society, where in theory anyway, there's progressive taxation to fund a welfare state which gives people a safety net in times of hardship. As I've mentioned before, any development of social housing in my area is now majority non-Irish and often majority non-EU. This is a complete slap in the face and insult to the Irish people whose taxes are funding it, but it also adds to the sentiment against social housing itself. We will become more like America, whose diversity is part of the reason people don't buy into the idea of the welfare state - the sense that their taxes will always be funding "them" rather than "us." In their case, "them" is other ethnic groups who they've lived alongside for centuries, so it's deep-rooted, complex, and something for them to solve. But in our case, it's people who have literally just stepped off a plane or a ferry and we have to house them. A situation we've only had since the late '90s, it's extraordinary.

72sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120369973#Comment_120369973

And just recently O'Gorman was caught redirecting funds away from support for "migrant integration" to LGBQT. Look at how hard our govmt are working to serve the people ;-)

cal naughton

O'Brien has let the cat out of the bag here in his last line of the article and confirms what most of us have been saying that the Ukrainians are not going home.

"I think we’d be wise to start thinking about the process of constructing a pathway to permanency for Ukrainians."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0318/1363871-housing-refugees-in-hotels-unsustainable-obrien/

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120372816#Comment_120372816

Sure they are going to let them into the EU give them free movement.

The provision of welfare and welfare supports to non nationals needs serious attention

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723#Echobox=1679469310

Four-in-five asylum seekers ordered to leave Ireland remain unaccounted for

Seems like even those that the government are actually deporting are just left to their own devices and we just take their word that they’ll leave themselves - absolute joke.

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120387498#Comment_120387498

It's a nonsense country.

Immigration of all sorts is totally out of control and those who come here fraudulently or commit crimes aren't removed and just disappear.

The housing crisis lies squarely at the doorstep of the Irish public for tolerating such nonsense.

Crime statistics show the real picture of where this country is heading. Kip

72sheep

IT relentlessly reporting on protests as "anti-refugee sentiment". They know the protests are about the govmt's immigration policy - which is totally unsurprising as 84% voters do not agree with that policy.

It just makes your heart swell with admiration as those hard-nosed IT journos & editors hold the govmt to account on our behalf. LOL!!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/03/26/traffic-comes-to-standstill-at-dublin-airport-as-roundabout-protest-causes-disruption/

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120372138#Comment_120372138

Apart from the amnesty asylum seekers can still get a status here even less than 2 years which is the average waiting time at present.They can apply for housing with the same rights as Irish citizens most decsions are now positive .

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120372050#Comment_120372050

Those poor poor Europeans being exploited by those nasty devious Asians and Africans, who’s reasons for looking for a better life elsewhere have absolutely nothing to do with centuries of economic, environmental and political exploitation at the hands of various European imperialists.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120403906#Comment_120403906

The issue in Ireland is a housing one not an immigration one. There are not enough people here to do are the jobs being created here. If we dont have immigration the overall standard of living and economic development of the country will deteriorate. The country is massively unpopulated for the level of economic activity. We need to prepare for a country of 7-8 million and an island of close to 10. We just need to sort out the housing supply through immediate and long term infrastructure investments.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404840#Comment_120404840

Yeah it's definitely Ireland's fault that all these countries are worse off. Amazing point, excellently presented

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404890#Comment_120404890

If there's already housing problem there's going to be an immigration problem. Its not a hard concept to understand.

There are not enough people here to do are the jobs being created here.

There is not enough room to accommodate them

https://www.waterfordlive.ie/news/national-news/973308/housing-crisis-has-hugely-negative-impact-on-retention-of-nurses-and-midwives-inmo.html

If we dont have immigration the overall standard of living and economic development of the country will deteriorate.

If you pour mass immigration into an already crippled infrastructure the economic and social development of the country will deteriorate.

https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/irish-housing-crisis-homeless

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404960#Comment_120404960

Did you read the post I replied to bemoaning those nasty foreigners exploiting the poor europeans? Irony is lost on people here obviously.

What people here seem to do is blame the people trying to find a better life

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404990#Comment_120404990

If immigration was stopped there would be massive shortages of unskilled workers, services provided by those industries would be impacted. No one to work in the restaurants and cafes, no one to pick the fruit, no one to work in meat plants, no one to clean the offices etc, because Irish people generally wont do those jobs. Then the higher skilled workers that depend on those jobs would be under threat. And Irish people would be left with a choice, take the lower skilled work that's left or leave like we used to have to do when the country was stagnating.

There is a housing crisis because 15 years ago the construction industry was mothballed for the best part of a decade with governments too caught up in short term thinking to do anything about it, not because people arrived here to do necessary work.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404840#Comment_120404840

doesnt explain Ireland though, we grew potatoes, we picked them ourselves, I dont have the white guilt lol

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120405119#Comment_120405119

I feel I need to point out once more what I was replying to:

I just dont understand why it is acceptable for Africans and Asians etc to come to Europe and economically exploit Europeans

Where does that mention Ireland?

Its not about white guilt. Its about real socio-economic factors caused over many centuries that has created an environment where people feel they need to look elsewhere to make a better life. Just like the many Europeans who did not benefit from the exploitation of the globe who went to america in the 19th and first half of the 20th century. The idea that Europeans are being economically exploited is laughable.

Now do tell why would Africans and Asians want to come to Ireland? Is it because its a kip as people here would have you believe? Is it because life in direct provision is glorious as some would have us believe? Or is it because it presents opportunities to better their lives?

If we really decide we dont want immigration, the best way to do this is by improving the conditions in the countries where people come from to make the decision to stay easier - eg. what happened in Ireland. A closed door immigration policy which does nothing to address the reasons people seek a better life elsewhere is finger in the dam type stuff. Humans have always and will always gravitate towards where conditions are better when faced with hardship

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120405200#Comment_120405200

very few people are are for "no immigration" we are a small country with 3 or 4 hundred million people on our doorstep that can legally work here. there is little reasoning for being open to people outside except on a as required basis for specific skills. Then there is the whole incompetence of enforcing our borders against illegal immigration, we seem to be a soft touch

As for the historical European African situation , ultimately a line has to be drawn under that as not used as some kind perma victim complex. The idea that imagining that Africa ought to return or been left as a continent of people that live in straw huts is rather whimsical which would be the implication of unwinding the affect of the West in Africa if one was to contemplate "reparations".

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404991#Comment_120404991

Find ing a better life is not reason to open thedoor to the world .