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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I can see the attraction in the city centre being able to weave through gaps that bigger cars can't manage

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I find that is more a matter of instant torque than the actual size of the car 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


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    In Phnom Penh atm, have traveled most of the country and this is the first EV I have seen. There is an unofficial Tesla centre just opened near airport, must drop in and have a look. There are a good few electric scooters and many electric Tuk Tuks, but unfortunately they are the uninteresting looking Indian 3 wheel version, rather than the classic motor cycle pulled carriage. Afaik there is no charging infrastructure as yet anywhere in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And that EV in your picture is probably only a PHEV 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well, one is great, and the other is also great, so I imagine the combination of both can only be better 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Yes quite possibly. Does it say Rex on the back I wonder? I forgot to look..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,156 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Bz4X

    Bjorn

    1,000km challenge

    14hrs 25mins

    Costs more than a Model Y

    Ouch!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Where'd you see that? I don't think he's got the video up yet?

    That's down at Zoe and Leaf speeds 🤦‍♂️

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Probably had to stop to reattach the tires and wheels a few times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,156 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    One of the lads posted in the bz4x thread, saying they watched some of the live stream…. Apparently cold/fast gated ta fcuk…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Jesus. Time is running out very fast for Toyota. They could be gone within a decade. From the biggest car maker in the world to bankrupt within a decade. Sounds like Kodak.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well Kodak and Nokia both still exist, so I doubt Toyota will disappear.

    They've got the Japanese government wrapped around their finger on hybrids and hydrogen and that'll be enough to sustain them for the foreseeable future

    However they won't be the biggest car company in the world for long at this rate


    They'll probably just end up buying up a smaller company for their technology and using that, if their own efforts keep falling flat

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    They've just replaced the CEO with the head of Lexus. His remit is to refocus on electrification. I'm guess it's going to be 2027 until we see real progress from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Aye. Not just the CEO but a clan of the Toyoda family and the grandson of the founder of Toyota himself. No small feat over there, very different from ousting a CEO in our western world. Could be too little, too late though. In just a few years time literally nobody in any of the important car markets will want to buy a combustion car anymore

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I was in Rome last weekend for the rugby. Did a fair bit of driving around (brother in law lives there) and walked around 25 Kms in the 3 days that we were there.

    In total I saw 3 model 3 's, a polestar, 2 ID4's and 1 fiat 500E.

    Italians aren't exactly embracing the EV movement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭KCross


    And iirc, the new guy said they were going to electrify Lexus first, and I suppose see how that goes, and then Toyota later.

    So, "self-charging" marketing is going to be around for a long time yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Are they still not the best selling car brand in Ireland?

    Still enough time to change direction I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭creedp


    Despite reducing sales yoy, its still comfortably the biggest car manufacturer in the world by sales in 2022, 10.8m in sales compared to next biggest VW with 8.3m in sales. So while it needs to get the finger out on EVs it will be a while yet before it disappears from the motoring landscape.

    The World's Top 3 Automakers By Sales In 2022 (Toyota No.1) (carlogos.org)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Kodak was also the best selling company in the world for all stuff photo. With almost zero competition. Then a few years later they were gone. It's the complacency that kills. Not the quality within the company. The "Sure aren't we still selling loads of cars in some of our markets? We know things are changing, we will adapt at some stage"

    I dunno if there is still time to change direction. Their pace of change has been so slow it might not be good enough. Laden with debts as well and a balance sheet full of assets like ICE production plants, which will need to be written off over a much shorter period of time than anticipated.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The big problem with being number 1 is the only way is down

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Long read


    Goldman Sachs Equity Research

    30 January 2023 | 11:33PM JST

    The Ecosystem of Electric Vehicles


    From the FT

    At the end of January, Goldman Sachs published a big sprawling 95 page (virtual) brick titled The Ecosystem of Electric Vehicles, looking at the entire value chain of companies in the space, from car manufacturers to component makers and infrastructure providers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    More boat news

    It doesn't really say it in the article, but the routes are between 35 and 109km through open seas


    So, same distance from Dublin to Holyhead more or less is now totally emissions free


    Get on with it Irish Ferries! I want to drive to Europe or UK without burning a single drop of diesel

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,048 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Just wondering where Norway will get the hydrogen for these ships? Would it from their natural gas by any chance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I haven't watched the video yet (I'm out walking 😁) but I know hydrogen has some big issues, mainly around production

    I think the Idea of hydrogen cars is well and truly dead, and hydrogen trucks or hydrogen home heating are circling the drain

    But there are some areas the current battery technology just doesn't seem to be able to cover, aviation and shipping being the main ones

    I think eventually battery technology will take over there as well. But since ferries can operate for 20-30 years before replacement then for now it's probably better to just green hydrogen than build more fossil ferries which could be still around in 2050

    EDIT: Okay video watched, very informative and well researched and definitely a few more considerations than just the source of hydrogen

    I still think it makes sense for planes and ships, for now...

    It's interesting to think that 20 years ago we were talking about hydrogen cars being the future and battery powered cars would never manage more than 50km. Now the tables have turned almost completely and hydrogen is being squeezed out of many markets

    Like I said, the technology for long range battery powered ships and aircraft will come some day, but even the most optimistic timelines out that around 2030. In the meantime there's a whole lot of ships and aircraft that will be built and it's possible that hydrogen will be the stopgap to make them greener

    Post edited by the_amazing_raisin on

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Was going to post something similar. Hydrogen is dirtier than fossil fuel. Until we start making it with huge excess renewables, that we have no other use for. And even then there are loads of issues.

    Battery electric is the way to go for any transport, with the only exception I can think of being long haul shipping.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    in fairness that ferry in Norway is offering these carrying capacities ....

    599 passengers, 
    120 cars 
    12 trucks
    

    which is tiny, miniscule, compared to Ulyses on the Dublin Hollyhead run:

    1,938 passengers
    1,342 cars
    241 trucks
    

    WB yeats is a tad smaller. Stena adventurer a tad smaller again, but still multiples of the Norwegian ferry.

    You'd need dozens of those Norwegian ferries to replace the 3 largest vessels to Hollyhead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,343 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Maybe, maybe not


    They didn't say in the article that they would be using green hydrogen, so I would guess that at least some of it is coming from natural gas

    There's also the mention of up to 15% of power from biofuels, so presumably at least some diesel power is onboard, maybe as backup power


    However, one handy thing about hydrogen is that you should be able to swap out fossil produced hydrogen for green hydrogen without any modifications

    Another bit of economic theory to consider. Norway has a lot of wind energy and also a large natural gas export industry

    Does it make more sense to use your natural gas resources to make hydrogen for a domestic market, or export the hydrogen for a profit and use the money gained to invest in wind energy and green hydrogen production?

    I honestly don't know which is the case, but it's an interesting question to ponder

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Another bit of economic theory to consider. Norway has a lot of wind energy and also a large natural gas export industry

    is that not the essence of the whole thing?

    In places with really plentiful wind or solar energy (so Irl/ Scotland/ Norway and the likes for wind, sunny barren countries for solar) that you create hydrogen from excess energy that you cannot use at that moment

    Nobody is producing vast quanties of energy that they currently cant use but this could (should) be the case in the future



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